(Solved) Octatrack not responding to cc 61/62 (rec AB/CD)

I had it woking in the past but for some reason I can’t seem to get my midi foot controller to operate pickup machine functions anymore.

Disaster area DMC-3XL Gen 3 midi out on channel 14, CCs 61 and 62, OT autochannel set to 14. CC and note in both activated. Midi in pixel flashes with foot controller presses.

Thanks for any advice! Probably just missing something simple…

CCs 60 and 64 not working either. Still get midi pixel flashes though.

You have to send Notes 61/62, or CC59, with 61/62 values.

CC59 mimic notes with corresponding values.

Not simple. :wink:

Ah ok, so I can confirm I am sending notes 61 and 62, not CCs. On autochannel (14) Still no luck other than midi pixel flashes…

Can you record those notes with midi tracks to check if they are properly sent?

Ideally a midi monitor if you have what’s necessary.

Good idea! Will check and report back.

Hmm… Logic is reporting I am sending C#3 and D3 with the left and right footswitch button presses, which correspond to 49 and 50, not 61 and 62!

I can get logic to report C#4 and D4 by adding 12 semitones to the foot controller, bringing it to notes 73 and 74, but still no love.

Something wrong. 2 octaves difference between numbers.

Slight miscommunication - 61 and 62 on the footswitch gave me 49 and 50 on Logic’s note display.

Changing the footswitch to 73 and 74 gave me 61 (C#4) and 62 (D4) on Logic.

I wonder what the octave difference is about, but the OT doesn’t seem to care either way…

It’s weird. I’d record with OT midi tracks, live rec or grid rec holding a trig while using footswitch to check what is received by the OT.

Interesting! Better than testing Logic. Will do.

Ok after a bunch of different experiments it seems I need to use cc (edit: i mean notes) 60 and 64 to get normal pickup behaviour. Midi channels were a challenge too. The Disaster Area pedal I have is truly a disaster when choosing a midi channel. It uses a four letter ABC pattern that doesn’t have 16 variations. Anyway eventually found one that gave me the desired ch 14, instead of ch 1.
Thank you @sezare56 for your help! Playing the buttons as notes into OT was a great idea. No idea what the octave discrepancy is in Logic.

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I guess in reality there isn’t an octave discrepancy. The naming of octaves isn’t standardized, so note names can differ up to 2 octaves in between different manufacturers (sometimes even between different devices of the same manufacturer).

The only thing you can really trust is the numeric note value (when it gets displayed somewhere).

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Yeah. Live is one octave above OT, but two octaves above AK (IIRC).
Much fun fiddling around^^

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Yeah an octave difference between OT a newer gear is pretty funny.

And you were sending 61 and 62 I guess. Wasn’t clear. :content:

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Weird that it doesn’t work with 61 and 62…
INAB/CD selected in Rec setup ?

Yes, using variations of ins A/B/C/D on the rec setup pages of my pickups.
I should clarify that I was getting pickup activity using 61/62, but it seemed that both RecAB and RecCD would function like RecAB normally does. I could get ‘+’, ‘+>’, and ‘x>’ only. No pickup start/stop function.

There is nothing weird or strange about this, because that’s the functionality when receiving these note values. They simply control the recorder on this track. In difference to the physical buttons (which change their behaviour when there is a pickup machine involved) the note values 61/62 behave as usual.

How the special pickup machine controls work is explained in detail in chapter 17.1.5 CONTROLLING THE PICK UP MACHINES WITH A MIDI FOOT CONTROLLER of the manual.

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:scream:

That’s for the physical buttons and not for receiving the note values 61/62, right?

(not really a question for me, but just to clarify that the facts above are right)