So... please help? I accidentally "made it" to getting a big gig but need to organize my live-tracks into a live-set in 10 day

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#8

I would think more in terms of total time you have to fill and as best possible use the most fluid means of moving from one project to the next - anything which already crosses over or you already use, do that. your idea is excellent for an album or for a set you can use more than one time, but this is like, crisis situation. you have to be ready in 10 days. 10 days is not a lot to be ready and feel ready. If you don’t sleep it will go badly. I think if you will use the octatrack, half the time will be spent organizing and half will be spent practicing … so where does the third half of time arranging come in? lol you only have 2 halfs to work with. I don’t mean literally, just saying if you are so involved with making it perfect that you don’t balance your time effectively, you may as well save the effort for a later time. If you’ve already started this process before and have a good idea of it already, then sure why not. I think anything complicated is going to be an added stress, anything that already works will still work. Sometimes we want something to be perfect. nothing is perfect. be productive without driving yourself crazy. Set a limit on how long you will spend on one portion of the preparation, your first list should be how long you think it will take to do each of the things you want in order to prepare.

If your list of things and the time it will take to do each (as you imagine them) exceeds the time you have to prepare, you will have to find a way to do it in less time. Just being prepared for that eventuality is going to be a strength, otherwise you will be up against a wall. no one wants to feel that way I think.

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#9

Probably 75% organising, 25% arranging without finishing, no time practicing…

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#11

There are 2 things which I’m thanking myself hardcore which make this seem feasible

1 is I’ve been consistent for a while on what t1 to t4 essentially are. Kick /hat/shaker

  1. is my hardware is perma-assigned to midi channels. I.e. copying those will result in the patterns of the synth being perfectly ready and assigned, especially after just adding the program change to the relevant patch in case of minilogue.

For the t1-T4: How about making an audio recording of every kick, hat, shaker I’ve used in these, and just assign to these slots these audio files of (“all kicks used across the tracks”) etc? From there, I could move through them with using slice mode to pick each subsequent one from just one audio file containing all the kicks (equally spaced, etc) and so forth… no? At least theoritically, I feel like I could just run for a while by using “slice number X” to switch from Kick A to Kick B, while also turning off a 303 pattern and then turning on the next one… then when I hit a wall, I transition to hybrid over a pre-existing track loaded on the octatrack OR do some crossfader shenanigan that more or less cleans the slate for me…

I feel like using the “slices are actually kicks I have used in the tracks” + “crossfader, or hybrid to have a fresh start” + “1-2 minilogue only ambient interlude (which I have more ambient than dance music anyway)” sound realistical enough to fill the hour… like, it kinda means I only need to have 3 “20 minutes fully continous material” to link with 3 very flexible methods for starting over.

Does it sound… coherent? The crossfader alone is very very powerful, hopefully not over-estimating its capacity to help me pull this off

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#12

What about setting up a looper for transitions? Or sync with some other sample playback device that has prerecorded fragments that can loop while you change projects on the OT?

I personally bypassed this issue by having my material split across at least two Elektrons. If I need to pull up new project, I can let the other Elektron keep playing its parts. I know this isn’t helpful in your situation, but I have felt your pain.

Words of encouragement: you can do this!

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#13

I think if you’re comfortable with the process you can kill a lot of time and still keep it interesting. If you want to try creating some chains with @brian3kb digichain app you can create OT chain files of those kicks etc and just drop them straight in to slice up, might save some time. try his thread here for the link bc it’s a free web app

I think using the balance between the 2 instruments can keep it interesting because it’s not so much of the same sounds, also sounds like your workflow heavily incorporates the minilogue already.

#14

Apparently. Hard to tell how much time it takes, depends if you know well OT and its structure.

I’d make a simple test, trying to copy/paste a pattern and and its part to another project, and then load and reassing samples.

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#15

I disagree with one thing though, I’ve been practicing for 6 months. This is where I would have otherwise declined for now, but every sinlge of the tracks I have made and recorded in at least demo, a few already released single-takes after practicing each.

Organizing should be doable if my patterns for hardware are ready and midi-channel-assigned for clarity and consistency and I just go ahead and assign the relevant program changes… But yeah gulp.

Maybe I can take rest of the week to see how much I cover comfortablly fully live, then for any missing minutes focus on most elements sans kick being in pre-recorded tracks without the synths, and focus on live playing my patches for those? The one advantage of me being very very live-synth twiddling oriented (303 and minilogue are both really good at riding a pattern while going bananas with ADSR/Filter/Etc)

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#16

I agree with all of this except that whatever plan you decide, I would absolutely stick to it. 100% unless it’s just adding to the same plan in a way you found which makes it easier.

I feel like you can’t tear down the house in the middle and start building again, even if the foundation is the same, you will end up with walls and no roof. that’s why this brainstorm beforehand is good for you.

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#17

I mean it is ambitious to regroup songs from different patterns and it can take time, so there would be not much time for practicing transtitions…

(A freeze reverb / delay while changing project ? A sample player ?)

#18

Port one song from one project to your live set project. As someone said, test that out.
Then move on to more.
Once you get in the flow, you’ll accomplish a lot, and it should leave you time to tweak your live project and practice.

The copy/paste functions work great across projects. You’ll save time doing some of that with a computer

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#19

The other reason Collider is part of my setup. Also, my understanding was that a Pioneer mixer will be final output. These have slip rolls, which can loop vynil to the point to being able to play with a single deck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLwsFQK4J6c

I’ve looped vynil and guitars and static before just to fully be able to confirm it’s more of a looper pedal set to bpm than something working with the digital files. You can slip roll and work beneath with either mixer or in my case octa’s cue.

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#20

But this guy is the video is a midi fighter ! :content:

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#21

It may be beneficial to take a break from Elektronauts and any other distractions, and get to work ASAP.

10 days is cramming it.

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#22

I recently paid Octaedit, but have generally chosen to focus on just what the octa itself was able to do.

But that will totally be able to help me copy paste everything in the most efficient way from my computer right?

Btw, thank you everyone. Your feedback is really making the difference, in that even if I end up negotiating a different set and saving live for later or whatever, I no longer feel aloen/overhwlmed. Thanks for being so responsive and sharing your experience.

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#23

you aren’t going in blind, that will make a big difference. also, you know it’s not going to be easy so that will help with your endurance/resolve. but remember to sleep, especially the day before. if your brain goes to mush, it won’t help any mental preparation you’ve done. if your body becomes ill, your brain won’t be able to compensate.

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#24

Yeah if you dont have experience with OctaEdit I’d skip that.
Just use copy/paste across projects.
Use the computer to see files copy/paste/rename and move stuff around like banks when looking at folders on the computer.

After using copy/paste across projects on the OT for a couple songs you’ll start to get fast.
Any mistakes you make can be corrected.

Probably good to takes notes from each song about sample slots.

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#25

Thank you most of all, your advice was the kindest and most responsive.

I agree.

By the end of this afternoon I’ll have a layout/plan. It might not be perfect. But the only way to do this is to push through in a single direction with all my efforts.

This is what got me here anyway and I say that in a positive way; I sold my macbook to focus on a single way of playing electronic music. It was the right choice because it wasa this is what I’m devoting my efforts to, period

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#26

everyone has done something. I’m only saying what I think, only to try and help, I don’t know that it’s particularly special or helpful but thank you for your recognition and willingness to take our suggestions.

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#27

Agreed.

I think it clicked how to do this. Thank you everyone. I will make it as live-set as possible and am proud that I put myself into octa and it always gave back eventually; but I’m also going to be kind on myself and remember that a live minilogue is itself one of my favorite things ever even over normal djing. Time to get down to what balance of “full live” vs “hybrid live” this will be.

Thanks.

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