Share your music production experiences with others. (challenges, tips, ...)

I dunno if its anything matter of a comment here but i didnt found any topic related about existential doubt-ism pre/post release.

Well i made this somehow discho-house/french-touchy groovy cheesy shit, this is maybe the first track I’m not consistently embarassed about the mixing even though its nothing spectacular, it just sounds ok on like 4 different speakers/headphones so that’s a comforting step, that said i am a bit sceptical about it being too cheesy, on one hand i love very hypnotic and progressive blissful music (old school progressive house/trance such as echomen), on the other hand i feel like i want my non technoid friends to enjoy what i make, im very mixed,

Seems like its always a struggle about what ypu want to perfect, what you are discovering, what you are losing, what you miss, no satisfaction ever

I joined three or four bands in the late 90s and 00s. I took most of the 10s off making music. The 20s see me doing solo noodling and dad techno.

First band: a duo. We basically wrote and produced separately, but would share the mixing and recording stage. Similar tastes, we were friends before starting. With hindsight, more a two-person collective than a band. No strict roles ‘cos we both did a bit of everything. Was fun. We started talks with a hot d&b label of the time but didn’t push ourselves hard enough to make that work. One of my bigger regrets in life. Occasional disagreements but nothing major. We liked a lot of the same music, although over time it’s clear I like more grit and he likes more slickness. We’re been friends about 35 yrs now.

Second band: I started out doing a couple of mixes/remixes for them. Later invited to join, mainly as “rhythm section” using Reason to make beats, which the guitarist and singer would perform to. The guitarist would work on chords he liked. I usually hated them and would make a beat intentionally orthogonal to his output. E.G. he’d play something country-esque and I’d give it an electro backing. Funk was our shared reference, so everything had groove and that bound us and resolved tensions. The guitarist and singer would take my four bar loops and create an arrangement with verse, chorus, midddle 8 etc without me. Then I’d return for mixing, flourishes, recording. I played bass on a BassStation when we did live shows. Later we got an engineer/producer (not yet pro but later it became his full time job). At first I resented it, but he was nice and his output excellent so I sucked up the humbling. I later became his part time studio assistant and played keys in another band he drummed in. We’re all leading disconnected lives now but occasionally check in.

Third band: covers for weddings, with the guitarist of the first band. Terrible covers, but we got taken to nice places and fed. It taught me to olay other peoples’ music and learn from it in ways none of my earlier experiences revealed.

Fourth band (with the engineer/drummer from before): originals, songs in a house vein. I was just a keyboard player for live shows. Played some nice shows. Strongest work ethic of all my projects so far (the drummer and singer had both had previous record deals, toured; one of them had a top 100 in the UK). I had very little input into the creative process. There were debates and challenges during rehearsals, in terms of how we might jam, whether we were hitting cues the right way etc. Right at the end we were all invited to contribute new songs/beats, but as the band leader was pulling back, we all lost momentum and it fizzled out. No serious beef, just unrealised potential.

Fifth band: part jam band, part playing compositions from the band leader. I was by far the least talented musician. The jamming worked well, but playing the composed parts challenged me a lot. I hate rote practice but should have done a lot more, which frustrated the band leader. The band leader had a history of not managing his expectations of his bands well. He really wanted to lead and produce but hated leading and didn’t see himself as a producer. He’s v.talented but muddled; I’m not that talented and a bit vague. We still talk. The drummer was great but made a snap decision to leave which took all the wind out of the project.

Sixth band: a improv drone/noise project. Low key, only practice a few times a year and gig even less. I play shnth, my partner plays gongs. It’s almost like a “sound bath” but with more electronics and we dress up funny. Remarkable collab: we basically just vibe off each other. The mood is quite clear and the format very open so we basically just take turns suggesting stuff and almost always the other one agrees. It’s really nice. Having very low expectations for commercial growth and wuite a good shared understanding of the mood we’re after makes this one a breeze.

I usually don’t share so much personal stuff online. I might delete a lot of this later.
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Seeing as we’re sharing.

I’ve always pretty much been a lone wolf.

Put out an advert on joinmyband late 2019 cos I needed a vocalist for some of my tracks.

Got one reply, guy who’s done vocals in a few local metal/whatevercore bands. Decent pipes, versatile and interested in the same sort of music as me.

Then lockdowns killed it.

Didn’t hear from him for nearly 5 years, then he gets back in touch early summer, says he wants to have a go at it.

Cool.

We get a few practices in, I write three half decent tunes and get us booked on a local open mic.

Then singer realises he’s taken on too much, as he’s just started a new job and he’s struggling to manage his time.

So we’re currently on a little break, but he’s still in touch regularly and I’m still writing/remixing tracks while he sorts his shit out.

I think the thing that makes it easier, but also probably potentially a bit more annoying is that I’m basically doing everything. I’ll bang out some loops, drop them in his Google drive to see if he likes it, if he likes it I arrange it into a track for him to turn up and shout/rap over. He’s already got all his material written out, so his involvement is literally turning up and shouting. I’m not resentful, I like the way things are working, I’m not sure I could really collaborate on the actual tracks, due to my complete lack of musical understanding, but it does make it hard for him to feel fully invested in it I think.

We’ll see how things pan out over the next few weeks, but worst case scenario I’ve had a laugh making some new tracks in ways I haven’t really worked before.

I think the arguments will likely come when it comes time to actually start releasing/promoting music, should we get that far, cos that’s when he’ll have to have a bigger input and I’m not sure he’ll have the time or energy invested in it that comes from working hard at something for a year if he hasn’t really been working that hard on it.

It’s very easy for me to be super laid back and not give a shit when I’m just pissing about making tracks, but it’s when you’re knee deep in all the other boring shit that resentment creeps in.

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Yeah speaking of front men, front men gonna front. If he’s bringing some magic and energy then stick him out there to shine while you cook in the lab.

No resentment needed, he’s like an artificial reason to bang out musical stylings. Make your tunes and make the monkey dance.

Dance monkey. Dance.

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Like I said, I don’t resent him at all, if anything I’m trying to consider the fact that him not having much to do might make things difficult for him in the long run.

He’s still super keen though, lots of back and forth going on and he seems to have mostly sorted his job issues out, so should be back in the practice room soon enough.

I’ve no doubt in his ability to front up when there’s a stage in front of him, I’ve seen him in action, and as I said, I’m cool with the current division of labour, but I’m also aware that we’re not really into the boring, shitty band admin shit that nobody likes doing yet and I’m just hoping he can find the investment to get over all that shit should we get that far.

I’m sure it’ll all be fine, not really a big deal if it isn’t. I’m too old to put too big a stake in this sort of thing.

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