Sequencer - Full MIDI support?

834 · 2013-12-12T20:01:40.000Z

Elektron has removed “Full MIDI support” from the specifications of the sequencer on their webpage.

KrisM · 2013-12-12T20:59:51.000Z

""834"":

Elektron has removed “Full MIDI support” from the specifications of the sequencer on their webpage.

Clever girl…
Was it always under Synth voice features? Maybe they just had it in the wrong spot >.>

PES · 2013-12-12T22:26:09.000Z

""snowcrash"":

No seriously, give us midi note out. Nobody will by the OT just for sequencing. It just not mobile…

This.

I need a simple MIDI sequencer to go with the A4, but not at the expense of portability. A note-only duplicate of the CV track would be enough.

(Looking into Arduinoboy + LSDJ now, but haven’t found out if it can both be synced to MIDI and sequence other gear at the same time.)

gbravetti · 2013-12-13T12:01:23.000Z

What about an iOS device with an iConnect MIDI 2+ interface?

snowcrash · 2013-12-13T16:53:43.000Z

""gbravetti"":

What about an iOS device with an iConnect MIDI 2+ interface?

And how does this iOS device guess my note output from the A4? I just want to double voices with external midi gear.
I could use a CV to Midi interface to at least double 2 tracks while completely loosing CV functionality and utilizing a ridiculous amount of external gear for some functionality that has been there as a standard in sequencer-capable gear since the mid 80ies… uh, nope.
Just because some marketing geek at elektron thinks nobody will buy the OT if they’d implement this tiny feature.
I’ll give the A4 one last chance when they finally put out the update. If I still get inspired by the A4 more than its little annoyances constantly get in the way of me making music I’ll probably keep it…

“”“I got tired of waiting because i found out there’s only a fine line between biding one’s time and waisting one’s time.”“”

void · 2013-12-13T17:26:26.000Z

""snowcrash"":

And how does this iOS device guess my note output from the A4?

gbravetti · 2013-12-13T17:33:55.000Z

""snowcrash"":

[quote=“gbravetti”]What about an iOS device with an iConnect MIDI 2+ interface?

And how does this iOS device guess my note output from the A4? I just want to double voices with external midi gear.
I could use a CV to Midi interface to at least double 2 tracks while completely loosing CV functionality and utilizing a ridiculous amount of external gear for some functionality that has been there as a standard in sequencer-capable gear since the mid 80ies… uh, nope.
Just because some marketing geek at elektron thinks nobody will buy the OT if they’d implement this tiny feature.
I’ll give the A4 one last chance when they finally put out the update. If I still get inspired by the A4 more than its little annoyances constantly get in the way of me making music I’ll probably keep it…

“”“I got tired of waiting because i found out there’s only a fine line between biding one’s time and waisting one’s time.”“”[/quote]
Agree, in that way you can´t.
What you can do is to use an iOS sequencer to drive that particular track on the A4 and the “doubler” synth.

jonah · 2013-12-13T18:06:57.000Z

i was surprised there isn’t mirroring of notes outs on the tracks, but i don’t think it’d be so useful for sequencing external gear, more for recording sequences. on the other hand, i’d probably turn it off most of the time, like i do with other gear that does straight up mirroring.

all the a4 would let you lock is what, velocity? note slides wouldn’t work, it’d be a pretty vanilla sequencer, people would want more features.

i dunno why people go for these paranoid marketing conspiracy theories though. how is it not a matter of limited resources. time +money?

i mean, imo the OT still handles a fair amount of things kinda clunkily, especially on the MIDI side. that doesn’t help sell anything else. there’s only so much time in the day to do all that stuff.

that said, i have a feeling the keys players are going to be way more vocal about being dissatisfied that what they play into the sequencer can’t go out. we’ll see.

i’m wondering now how the joystick gets recorded? it sends CCs doesn’t it? Only when it’s physically moved? maybe it just locks the controls it’s mapped to on the a4?

gbravetti · 2013-12-13T18:35:31.000Z

@PES

Just an idea,

If you can manage to program your notes idea using the A4 arpegiator then you can use MIDI out from the arpegiator being able to play internal and external synth at once.

Sorry I get confused with other hardware.

r05c03 · 2013-12-13T19:42:47.000Z

Your right. I said is was a conspiracy. No company ever has limited features on a device as part of decision to make money off of their broader product line.

PES · 2013-12-13T20:15:07.000Z

""gbravetti"":

What about an iOS device with an iConnect MIDI 2+ interface?

That’s a very good suggestion actually. A bit expensive for what I’m willing to pay right now (haven’t got an iDevice), maybe, but with all the music apps that exist on the platform… Tempting.

plusn · 2013-12-13T22:45:28.000Z

""snowcrash"":

No seriously, give us midi note out. Nobody will by the OT just for sequencing. It just not mobile…

Just use a CV to Midi converter, like the Doepfer A-192: A-192.

Or use a synth with the A4 that has CV-in…Moogs, Mini/Microbrute, asf.

gbravetti · 2013-12-13T23:31:46.000Z

""PES"":

[quote=“gbravetti”]What about an iOS device with an iConnect MIDI 2+ interface?

That’s a very good suggestion actually. A bit expensive for what I’m willing to pay right now (haven’t got an iDevice), maybe, but with all the music apps that exist on the platform… Tempting.
[/quote]
Indeed. Check Thesys (single track) or Genome muli-track.

snowcrash · 2013-12-14T21:58:29.000Z

[quote=“” pulsn""]

snowcrash:

No seriously, give us midi note out. Nobody will by the OT just for sequencing. It just not mobile…

Just use a CV to Midi converter, like the Doepfer A-192: A-192.

Or use a synth with the A4 that has CV-in…Moogs, Mini/Microbrute, asf.[/quote]
Ha ha ha. Did you read anything I wrote on the previous page?

plusn · 2013-12-16T17:32:16.000Z

You mean that?

I could use a CV to Midi interface to at least double 2 tracks while completely loosing CV functionality and utilizing a ridiculous amount of external gear for some functionality that has been there as a standard in sequencer-capable gear since the mid 80ies… uh, nope.
Just because some marketing geek at elektron thinks nobody will buy the OT if they’d implement this tiny feature.

?

Nope. Just read it. Ok, i take my suggestions back and suggest the opposite.
Sell the A4. G

Costo · 2013-12-16T18:41:11.000Z

""snowcrash"":

Nobody will by the OT just for sequencing.

I did. And I’m very happy with it : amazingly, it also does sampling…
It is now the central piece of my MIDI hardware setup.
(A bunch of Shruthi-1’s, LXR, and of course the A4, which does sequence my eurorack modular.)
What now ?
You’re just making suppositions…
In the end, how does it help you to complain and feel like a poor victim of those bad bad guys at Elektron ?

r05c03 · 2013-12-17T13:18:11.000Z

Not sure anyone is calling the anyone “bad”

snowcrash · 2013-12-17T17:39:16.000Z

[quote=“” pulsn""]
Nope. Just read it. Ok, i take my suggestions back and suggest the opposite.
Sell the A4. G
[/quote]

Well, I will if I continue to find it doesn’t fit my needs. I’m experienced enough not to rely on a certain manufacturer or piece of gear to get my ideas to tape.

The A4 offers a lot for a very low price, yet certain deliberate omissions make me wonder. If I would think bad of Elektron I wouldn’t waste my time giving them feedback here on this board. Quite the contrary.

@Costo: I would buy the OT as a sequencer if it fulfilled all the features I want from a sequencer, but it doesn’t. And as a supplement for a rather ridiculous shortcoming of the A4 it’s not worth the studio-space. Don’t get me wrong the OT seems to be an inspiring piece of equipment. But I don’t need and want sampling. Simple as that.

secmast · 2013-12-18T17:24:06.000Z

I was a bit disappointed that A4 does not output midi from the sequencer.
But here I’ve got a MPC1000 and more interesting and powerful I use Numerology Pro as my main midi/CV sequencer with lots of joy.
A4 did not find yet it"s right place in my setup (hardware/control/color wise. but the sound yes).
I am happy that I can control my Minitaur with CV. I just change my mind yesterday as I previously use the GATE and NOTE on CV but now I will come back to Numerology for the tone and A4 for the modulation using the four CV input of the minitaur.
What’s nice is i can create a pattern with numeroly, hit record on A4 and play the numerology pattern once to get it to the box.

As I said, I’m still working on my workflow with the A4 but it did not really change my way of doing things. Just adding more possibilities in my “creation”.

Don’t get me wrong, I’de love to have A4 with pattern midi output.

Solstyx · 2015-06-09T12:40:42.000Z

The best would be midi tracks as it is implemented on the Monomachine for sure !
Beside that, a very fun thing on this site:
Try to search anything with words “midi” and “out” in your search string and you’ll get an internal error response.

Does it behave the same for any of you ?