Scenes midi channel?

gbravetti · 2015-03-11T17:34:10.000Z

I´m wondering why scenes MIDI CC’s channel changes depending on the selected track.

i.e:
changing scenes while in track 1 sends CC 92 Val (xx) Chan 1
changing scenes while in track 2 sends CC 92 Val (xx) Chan 2
etc etc

I noticed that Scenes respond to CC 92 Chan 1 to 14.

Is this a bug? It has not sense to me.

Looking for your thoughts.

phesago · 2015-03-11T17:43:55.000Z

Scratch that.

That is confusing

gbravetti · 2015-03-11T17:53:34.000Z

Scenes is supposed to use a single cc (CC92) and a single value to set scene number.
val 0 to no scene , val 1 to scene 1 … till 12.

What changes is value, there is no need to change midi channel.

1 channel is more than enough.

I already tried to change scenes using different midi channel, as I said, it responds to all channels from 1 to 14.

phesago · 2015-03-11T18:01:36.000Z

Well my guess would be that each track responds to an individual channel, and then for each channel it responds to there is a scene parameter per channel. Im just on my phone and not looking at the manual, but thats my guess.

gbravetti · 2015-03-11T18:05:57.000Z

Scene parameter is not per channel is per kit.
A single parameter that could affect all tracks.
No need to channelize.

phesago · 2015-03-11T18:07:33.000Z

Edit

Each track is assigned its own channel, and if you want to play the rytm externally younwould have to send cc’s on that channel to trig the machine. Since each track has its own channel, im assuming scene data controls all tracks it would need to send data on each channel . Make sense?

gbravetti · 2015-03-11T19:16:07.000Z

If you want yo play your rhythm externally you need to channelize track parameters.

For example track Level is CC95, so to affect Track 1 Level (assuming default channels are set )you need to send CC95 ch 1, to affect track 2’s level CC95 ch2 and go on.

Track Level is a track parameter, each track has a “Track Level” so it make sense to use MIDI channel to control them independently.

The Scene parameter is not a track parameter, it is a Common parameter, this means there isn’t a scene parameter per track but a single one for the whole kit. So it is pointless to use different channels to reach a single parameter.

This behaviour is like to have the Reverb Time parameter changing its channel depending on which track you are on.

phesago · 2015-03-11T19:31:24.000Z

From a data perspective it makes total sense. How is the data contained within a “scene” supposed to communicate to each individual track independent values simultaneously without having it separated per channel?

gbravetti · 2015-03-11T20:33:46.000Z

""phesago"":

From a data perspective it makes total sense. How is the data contained within a “scene” supposed to communicate to each individual track independent values simultaneously without having it separated per channel?

apples and oranges.

phesago · 2015-03-11T21:28:49.000Z

I dont think you understand.

You think the scene is a common parameter, but it isnt. It is a collection defined parameters, which happen to be on a per track basis.

gbravetti · 2015-03-12T15:23:06.000Z

Ok, so… tell me what is the difference on sending to the AR this two MIDI messages:

CC92 Val 1 Chan 1
CC92 Val 1 Chan 2

sezare56 · 2019-06-06T07:34:17.561Z

Old thread. Still the case?

gbravetti:

I´m wondering why scenes MIDI CC’s channel changes depending on the selected track.

I agree. Perf Channel would make more sense no?

sezare56 · 2019-06-06T10:14:46.319Z

Possible to send scenes on Auto Channel only.
Global > Midi Config > Port Config > Output Channel = AUTO CH

JPM · 2021-02-22T04:11:13.392Z

I can’t seem to get rytm to send any midi when activating scenes or perfs.
The reason is I want to record these into Ableton to capture a full performance.
Currently it seems I can record Perfs when in OB mode, but not scenes
Any ideas?

PekeDorty · 2021-05-01T19:04:44.537Z

Hmm, was wondering the same – in the manual there is nothing about scene midi notes or CCs. Would be awesome to have this! Will try in a bit – maybe changing the auto channel could help?

Schnork · 2021-05-01T19:16:33.480Z

It is in the manual. Active scene is CC 92 (under common). You scroll through all the scenes with CC 92.

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PekeDorty · 2021-05-01T19:35:19.721Z

Okay… so it does work - I changed the Auto channel (I think it’s a bit buggy).

Sadly this is annoying to work with since it only sends out one CC with the value (Pad 16 127, 15 119, 14 111 etc.) - not really useful to map anything onto this in a 3rd party app… would have to convert it first … grrr …