Sorry if the topic has already been discussed: I struggle to find anything (the search engine sucks in this forum).
Does anyone has experience/feedback with 2x Rytm?
Does it really bring benefit to your flow? why did you choose 2x Rytm as opposed to Rytm + another sampler/drum machine?
Which would allow for two separate âbrainsâ in my setup.
I settled on a MachineDrum though since I didnât see a reason to have a second OT, not a terribly compelling one at least.
My answers probably do not help exactly but for me I could not see a point in having two machines that do not sequence midi.
I do have a RYTM and a MD now.
I basically have the OT controlling the RYTM and other midi devices for Song A.
I then use the MD and other midi devices for song B.
the mungo device will help me to load different projects on the fly (when I get it)
For now I do my best by manually syncing using the ânudgeâ timing functions.
Or putting the MD at the end of my chain using thrus and letting it control timing as well and start. stop on all of my devices.
Edit:
I never use the search engine on this site> Instead I use google and search by topic I am looking for and then add the URL. It works a lot better.
I know you were hoping to hear from people who have actually tried this but I do have a couple of thoughts on it. Being a hobbyist with a small budget, I donât think Iâd ever invest in two of the same thing, just because there is so much gear out there I wish I could try.
That being said, if money was not an issue, I could definitely see using one Rytm just for analog drums and one just for samples. I mean, if the workflow really clicks for you and it fills those two roles for you better than other pieces, it would make sense to me to have two of them with each one devoted to one of its strengths. I find that the Rytm handles single cycle waveforms better than just about anything else I have used and it is also very powerful for sequencing chopped up breaks. Having that kind of control per step on break samples is amazing to me.
If I was going to pick-up a machine for samples only I would certainly go with the OT over the RYTM. Unless you really jell with the RYTMs performance mode or you happen to need 32 pads the OT destroys the RYTM as a sample playback device based on the LFOâs and actual sample editing/resample capabilities and a whole lot more.
For my live set I set it up sort of like a DJ will with tracks. so i need two drum machine and two synths. i used one of these fine drum machines- tanzbar, octatrack, mfb 503 or jomox 888. But i found i can achieve same sounds with rytm samples and analog. Also rytm has a much better sequencer with the exception of the the octatrack i think has better features for a sequencer but it doesnât have the analog sounds.
the other thing about the rytm is its not stuck on one type of sound like the jomox or tanzbar. the jomox or tanzbar sound fantastic but they donât break out of their sound very well. A rytm kit can sound very very different to another kit so having two can be very useful live. if the rytm wasnât so versatile id say you would want two different drum machines live.
Right now i use tempest and rytm + analog 4 and rytm. i am thinking of trading my octatrack for a analog 4 so i can have two analog 4 and 2 rytm live for ease of use and set up.
Mattstacks:
Thanks for the info about the Mungo device. Potentially very useful, even with my A4+AR!
hardwarecore:
I completely agree, I love samples on the AR, punchy and grainy with a JeNeSaisQuoi that make it lovable for me! But 8 voices is a limitation unfortunately, even with p-lock.
OT is too complicated and the workflow doesnât suit everyone. AR has a very simple interface and workflow that can still provide complex results if worked correctly.
Maybe the answer is a kind of MPC/SP sample on the side with the magical device that Mattstacks suggest.
If you took the OT, and loaded it with samples the workflow is not much different than the A4 and RYTM.
It is more complex yes, but only if you want it to be.
The loading of samples is way better (it acts as a USB drive)
Track one, load a machine, a sample on that machine and then put trigs where you want them.
Add plocks⌠All in exactly the same way as the other devices.
It just gets better from there, you want to edit the sample? Well, the OT has the actual wave file not just start end points. It can autoslice it for you by beat or bpm etc.
You have three LFOs per track that are editable if you want them to be.
Assignable effects in chain, so: maybe a filter and delay on track one.
A comb filter and reverb on track two⌠etc.
I could go on and on but to me, if you wanted a sample playback machine and you dig the RYTM sequencer then the OT is your best bet.
Admittedly, any search that involves a number is difficult, and for this topic it is not easy to find applicable threads due to the nature of the search terms required. But for most search needs, it is very effective, and works for most sites.
Elektron should just use googleâs code for their search, the same as gearslutz does.
As you know, I only have 1x Rytm. A good friend of mine just got his second though, and we had discussed benefits of two, on and off, for the last couple months.
One thing we agreed on was that power you would get for live use. If youâre the type of person that can finish an entire track on an Analog Rytm, it would make sense that having two of them gives you an advantage for multi-track mixing of your songs on stage. You could do a sysex dump to have them both mirroring the same project setups and treat them each as a deck to mix back and forth between. I would argue that a looper (KP3, Pigtronix Infinity, EH 45000) would probably be a better use of funds if mixing your own Rytm tracks in and out of each other is the goal. In the end it depends on your mixing style. Some people prefer more interesting transitions than a simple fade. It would come down to preference.
The other reason you may want a 2nd Rytm is if, again, youâre writing whole tracks on the Rytm, but feel constrained by the 8 voices. I personally do not feel constrained by the 8 voices, I usually get by with just 6 heavily plocked tracks and a full page of scenes, but Iâm a techno producer. Nearly all of us know that with sound locks and choke groups we can push the Rytm far beyond where an 8 voice limit in any other instrument would leave us. But sometimes that is not enough. If Rytm is the one and only Elektron instrument that you gel with, then it would make sense to own two.
I know a couple guys that have 3 and 4 Moog Voyager Racks. They just love them, nothing wrong with multiplying what you know to love. I had a pair of Monomachines in the studio at one point and it was great to use one as a dedicated FX box. Now Iâve figured some ways to affordable get around the need for 2x MMs (a $100 zoom fx pedal and a nord drum offloads drums and fx from 3 MM channels that I can now use for dedicated external input processing).
I imagine the advantage of 2x Rytm to be more on stage than in the studio.
Everyone is different, but I think having A4+ND1 as a Rytm supplement is a bit more flexible than a 2nd Rytm, and it still gives you 8 great voices on a single Elektron sequencer for the same price.
Mattstacks:
I owned the OT and didnât like itâŚIt is a very powerful tool but I feel really stupid when I used it. I tried for months (probably not enough) and EVERY SINGLE TIME I had to think two times before doing something. It didnât help that my MAC had issue to connect with itâŚ
Your argumentation is correct tho, OT is awesome and really much better to handle sample. Plus better sequencer, external midi controllerâŚ
Just not for me. That was my conclusion.
Rytm manage samples in its own special way, very simple but powerful. It has some restriction but can be soooo creative. Last lab challenge is probably the best example to support my point.
AdamJay:
In studio, I always feel like I miss a rowâŚlike 16 pads/10voices⌠I probably donât use the p-lock/scene and chain enough but It is not always very easy, especially for non-drum parts. A second AR would be too much, too expensiveâŚI can add layer with my A4 anyway.
Bottom line: 2 x AR seems unreasonable and irrationalâŚbut most likely awesome and unconventional
This would actually be a cool idea. If I get a second RYTM it will be during the black friday sale or just get one second hand off of the market place. The filters and overdrive sound so nice on samples.