Rytm and Tempest redundant?

andreasroman · 2014-11-15T00:47:22.000Z

I’ve had the Tempest for about a year, and the Rytm for about as long as it’s been out.

For me, it comes down to voice. Not workflow, polyphony, samples or engine. Both machines sound great. You can do spectacular things on them. They’re easy to work with. Every single one on this forum can write great music on these machines.

It comes down to what kind of music you’d want to make, and the voice of that music. And since most of us still search for our voice, what we want to sound like, we direct our attention to slamming or praising gear, cause that’s easier until we’ve figured out what we really want.

For me, the Tempest has a very intimate sound, a warm and raw tone, like gathering around a fire when twilight kicks in. It can both scream and whisper, and it’s rough around the edges. I can imagine that early Daft Punk demos sounded something like the stuff that comes out of the Tempest.

The Rytm is lush and grand, something that can make an entire arena sway. It can take you higher, and if the Tempest is about autumn leaves, then the Rytm is like those Swedish Summer Burst nights when the sun never really sets.

And yes, this is all a bit poetic, but that’s also the point. That’s a voice too. And these instruments sound so different, and they’re really great, so it really comes down to what you want to sound like, not what these instruments can or can’t do.

Huno · 2014-11-15T01:35:34.000Z

das ist mane

Huno · 2014-11-15T01:36:14.000Z

i dont have atempest but i love the MDUW- and I prefer it over the RYTM.

This is just me tho’ .

Elektronot · 2014-11-15T02:28:54.000Z

Cheers dude, i like your poetry.
much of its comes down to taste and style, and what you’re in the mood to fcuk with.

andreasroman · 2014-11-15T07:30:29.000Z

Thanks. It always does, doesn’t it? But it’s easier to spend time on nags and brags, since making great music is hard. And we tend to avoid hard things. You can make great music on both the Rytm and the Tempest, tho.

mezz303 · 2014-11-15T07:45:46.000Z

""baseck"":

hey all!

first time post here. i seen a topic on the beloved tempest and i thought i’d chime in with my beautiful experience with such a ground breaking machine i haven’t spent more then a half hour with the AR but it does seem like a very powerful machine. i would love to have one along with my tempest. people trash the tempest all the time but they only use it for maybe a kick or snare. spend some time with only that machine and you’ll realize it’s a sound design beast, and extremely well put together for live functionality. I’ve used only the tempest and a reverb pedal in live sets for over 2 years. if you know how to design drum sounds, the flexibility is amazing. in my project TWIN BRAIDS, Joy Through Noise and i use 2 tempests and a reverb pedal.

here’s me “putting my money where my mouth is”

tempest idm style
BASECK on Instagram: "Morning Meditation // #idm2084 #davesmithinstruments #drummachine #analogsynth"
BASECK on Instagram: "Tonight will be the first Twin Braids set we do rocking only double Tempests! Super Hyped! www.CelebrateEverything.LA @davesmithinstruments"

beefy drum & bass
BASECK on Instagram: "coming up with some new sounds for the party I'm playing next week in Pittsburgh! #malekko #davesmithinstruments"
BASECK on Instagram: "space traveler"

for the synth
BASECK on Instagram: "new DSI tempest commercial #davesmithinstruments #dsitempest #rogerlinn #baseck #ambient #analogsynthesizer #drummachine #analogdrummachine"

live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LlfnulW40k

interview with lots of tempest:
https://vimeo.com/94683770

in the studio right now i have an octatrack, machinedrum, and a borrowed analog four… would also love to add an analog rytm to that in the future!

ANALOG DRUMMERS, DRUM ON!

rock on rebel warriors,
-baseck

I’m convinced. I will have to get one soon.
Great finger drumming on the live vid.

Accent · 2014-11-15T09:24:40.000Z

[quote=“” baseck""]
hey all!

first time post here. i seen a topic on the beloved tempest and i thought i’d chime in with my beautiful experience with such a ground breaking machine i haven’t spent more then a half hour with the AR but it does seem like a very powerful machine. i would love to have one along with my tempest. people trash the tempest all the time but they only use it for maybe a kick or snare. spend some time with only that machine and you’ll realize it’s a sound design beast, and extremely well put together for live functionality. I’ve used only the tempest and a reverb pedal in live sets for over 2 years. if you know how to design drum sounds, the flexibility is amazing. in my project TWIN BRAIDS, Joy Through Noise and i use 2 tempests and a reverb pedal.

here’s me “putting my money where my mouth is”

tempest idm style
http://instagram.com/p/rC47bxDtMR/
http://instagram.com/p/pwf_gmDtDk/

beefy drum & bass
http://instagram.com/p/icMX4uDtFW/
http://instagram.com/p/fqzm7LjtBI

for the synth
http://instagram.com/p/cwpcEHDtL3/

live

interview with lots of tempest:
https://vimeo.com/94683770

in the studio right now i have an octatrack, machinedrum, and a borrowed analog four… would also love to add an analog rytm to that in the future!

ANALOG DRUMMERS, DRUM ON!

rock on rebel warriors,
-baseck

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Baseck!!!
I love your work. I messaged you a couple days ago on FB to find a video I wanted to post to this specific thread (and I don’t think the PT. 2 at The Complex was the one, but whatevs…the one I remember was a straight on video (shot like PT.1 with a comment about changing styles) that was more Aphex-y), but what I’ve seen you do with the Tempest tells me plenty about the potential it has.
Been a fan since I heard the stuff you put out on Subcon…glad to see you around these parts.
/fanboy off.

baseck · 2014-11-15T10:50:41.000Z

@accent

Thanks! Oh and maybe this is the one you’re talking about?

The video was edited to only show the design of the synth sound, the drum part got cut

A good friend goes on tour soon, so maybe I can borrow the RYTM!

http://vimeo.com/94488096

Shoki · 2014-11-15T11:01:23.000Z

If you have an Octatrack, a Nord Drum 2 is a little monster with a HUGE sound !

whet · 2014-11-15T13:34:50.000Z

I like your stuff aswell Baseck, very unique and it shows how the Tempest is intended to use, as an analog syntesis laboratory AND performance instrument.

Just discovered your soundcloud page, i hear plenty of tempest… if those drums are not punchy etc. i dont know what people demand…

CRE8 CELEBR8 blows me away atm, total tempest distruction, what a track o0 .

monocon · 2014-11-16T16:31:00.000Z

I´ve made a video too to proof the strength of Tempest!
Octatrack included

Greez…

PS: Sorry for my head bouncing in all the time.

mezz303 · 2014-11-16T18:18:18.000Z

Nice vids guys. Now I really want one.

whet · 2014-11-16T19:16:29.000Z

Great showcase @ maxicosi, i like those fills.

J_C_Selector · 2014-11-16T20:24:20.000Z

""Maxicosi"":

PS: Sorry for my head bouncing in all the time.

Dude, now I have a sore neck !
Mad skills there, Great work.

Also, I think this proves the Tempest is in no way redundant.

Madchiller · 2014-11-16T21:58:26.000Z

""Maxicosi"":

I´ve made a video too to proof the strength of Tempest!
Octatrack included

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71wKmwTO8Ls

Greez…

PS: Sorry for my head bouncing in all the time.

Good shit bro. Tempest most definitely not redundant. Just different. The octatrack was already on my wish list, and now I think I will grab a tempest at some point. The possibilities of the AR+Tempest+octatrack are mind boggling. I love my AR already, and still have much to learn.

monocon · 2014-11-17T15:43:19.000Z

Thanks guys!

MC-505 · 2014-11-17T22:14:11.000Z

Having read this entire forum (!), it seems both Rytm and Tempest are very powerful. Since buying one of the first Sidstations, Elektron always interested me. Not so far covered in this forum are the nature of the sequencer in these machines. Comparing them to the Roland MC-505, which is familiar to me, neither seems to have 96 ticks/quarter note MIDI resolution. Both seem to have some variation on a fixed note value, such as quaver, semiquaver or triplet variations (i.e. from 48 ticks down to 12 ticks). In “MC-505 speak”, you can’t nudge a beat back or forward by a single tick. If so, it’s a bit of a retrograde design, when more ancient drum boxes with less powerful processors do this. Have got my head round Parameter Locks, which seem similar to Korg and Roland’s motion sequencer idea, that puts multiple or single CC messages in a MIDI track, or the alternative of mapping multiple edited variations of the same sample to adjacent MIDI note #. Is this correct, please?

Those pads on the Rytm? Isn’t it possible to make some beats and check what the range/ dymanics are? That will give a definitive answer - say velocity from 30 to 88 - or whatever. Just a suggestion, to end an argument…

It will be great to take a look at this fantastic new gear and decide which to get, to add new things, not duplicating what existing gear does. Really enjoyed this forum and thanks
everyone who contributed.

JuanSOLO · 2014-11-20T23:02:24.000Z

Maxicosi, that was ill! Especially the very beginning.

Not sure why you aren’t using at least 2 voice outs, kick/snare, and then mains into the OT.

Mezzanine · 2014-11-21T00:13:11.000Z

Well after a lot if yes and no going through my head I finally pulled the trigger… I literally wish I could lick my self in a room for a year and just play with these 2 together. I haven’t hooked them both up together yet but tonight I wiill. Look forward to having them both run into Octatrack… The Tempest is really deep.

secretmusic · 2014-11-21T17:10:11.000Z

""JuanSOLO"":

Maxicosi, that was ill! Especially the very beginning.

Not sure why you aren’t using at least 2 voice outs, kick/snare, and then mains into the OT.

voice cycling on the Tempest. One of the many gripes the users have with it. And something that some people conveniently ignore.