yup, funny enough, that was my prediction for this…
though, there is already piano vision for quest which works with any piano ! incl acoustic.
so piano vision + quest 3s ($299) … no tablet needed, use a ‘proper’ keyboard/piano.
I will say, in fairness, Id not really want to practice piano with a headset on.
esp. in the summer, vr/XR headsets get pretty uncomfortable (let alone health concerns) … and Im a vr fan 
With vr you wouldn’t need a piano , you could just stomp fingers on a virtual piano and hear results in headphone. Scale piano keys to fit what you want / area available.
Obviously it doesn’t feel real but you’d learn a lot . Much of the vr space is full of vr simulations to learn the process rather than actual feel - I worked in medical vr for a few years and it was good enough to do eye and leg surgery to give those students an advantage for when they went into real surgery.
A roli keyboard doesn’t feel real either .
I don’t see a future for this
I can confirm that. When I was at university with no piano at home, I’d “play” with my fingers on the table saying notes or fingering out loud. If I had been able to hear the notes, that with have been a bonus. But for a beginner, hearing notes is everything and not having access to your piano is a “good” excuse not to train.
ok, video is now fixed on product page…
unfortunately, its just hyperbole 
it doesn’t explain why/how hand tracking is going to help … just its ‘super power’ for the piano-m.
makes me ever more concerned about Roli’s future.
@re5et, yeah… but the feel of the keys/piano is an important part, as is building muscle memory.
thats why I think piano vision is such a good idea…
but again, Id not want to spend hours with vr/XR headset on…
also, Im not convinced about learning piano via ‘guitar hero style’ anyway.
but hey… self learning is popular, so anything that takes it forward is a good thing.
(though, airwave is not it … imo)
So Melodics (the app) with a camera and feedback?
So it works with other MIDI controllers, including Rise2. ADDED : Rise2 is now called Seaboard 2.
It is not top down only but has multiple views.
Hand position and movement is an important part of keyboard instruction.
And then look at all the other gestures things this does.
Colour me quite unimpressed by all this.
Yes that’s one part of it, but it’s also a bit like Roland’s d-beam, but it’s “awesome” cause it’s AI based.
yeah, now that looks much more interesting…esp. used with Rise.
Id be more interested if it could be used with other keyboards, imagine this above the Osmose.
(that said, height/ FoV might limit where you can play etc)
at this stage, doesn’t appear to offer much more than the Leap Motion did…
however, does look like the tech could support more gestures in the future.
not so bad at 299 euros?
almost makes me want to get my leap motion out again 
The thing is… if you want to go that way, why not use your laptop’s webcam to do the tracking? I get that this is a convenient package and alll, but I’m still not sure this is all that revolutionary or useful.
A bit OT, but my girlfriend absolutely loves the Peloton augmented reality workout device. It was very cheap compared this. I do think there is a lot of potential for this type of product in the future (putting aside the creepy surveillance angle to all of it).
ok, Roli videos are out, and include both educational side and the expression side.
Getting a real music teacher and taking physical lessons can be a life changing experience that no technology will be able to match.
My decision to enroll in theory, singing, piano and drum lessons over the last five years is one of the best life choices I’ve ever made and I wish I did it sooner.
P.S: Love my Seaboard Block.
The new Equator 2 patches with the new gestural dimensions is really amazing.
This thread needs to focus more on the performance possibilities with Airwave plus Seaboard 2, and de-emphasize the learning parts. ( Which looks good too. )
Going out on a limb here.
This may break open a new frontier with the controller market, similar to the way the original Rise did.
bare in mind, leap motion w/ geco was doing this over 10 years ago…
it had all the gestures (and more) shown in Andrew Huang’s video, assignable to any midi message, and each hand was independent.
also had tracking of joints, see here…
also, I asked Roli if this could be used with other (non roli) keyboards
thats not to say, it won’t be open enough to use for other controllers… but its not the intention (at this time)… ofc, much could change before release in March.
anyway, not saying it wont make a splash…
sometimes form factor/ presentation/ marketing can really capture the imagination.
(I also do kind of like its form factor… and it appears to be more self contained)
but its not revolutionary
You’ve missed my point.
So i see Airwave costs $90 USD when bundled with the Seaboard 2.
That of course is a pre-order on the Airwave part of this.
That is a lot less than the Airwave bundled with either the Piano M or the Seaboard M.
LUMI Keys is now Piano M
Seaboard RISE 2 is now Seaboard 2
Seaboard BLOCK M is now Seaboard M
So there are five new gestures :
Air Raise
Air Glide
Air Tilt
Air Flex
Air Slide
The five are shown quickly in this queued video :
Here’s a demo with the Seaboard 2 :
It seems likely they can increase the gestural controls with this going forward. Spreading your fingers, pointing with your index finger, moving your thumb, …
Theremin functionality…
Given the way you have to raise the arms, with the risk of raising your shoulders while doing so, causing further strain, I can’t imagine this to become a viable performance device. It is also questionable whether these new gestures would be actually musically relevant. With MPE already under your hands, Airwave seems redundant.
It may become an alternative to Expressive E’s Touché but will this be sufficient to keep Roli over water?
So maybe Airwave might actually be much more successful in the education area, for example improving the experience of remote learning courses with a real teacher on the other side. Now the teacher would be able to see your finger movements in a better way than with a simple camera.
