Roland TR-1000 User Thread

I’m seriously unimpressed so far by Roland who took my warranty claim, had me answer a dozen questions and has since not gotten back to me all week while my tr1 is boxed up awaiting to be sent out.


I have no interest in external sequencing, at that point just get a blackbox and save your money and desk space for an instrument that’s functioning as intended.

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especially since it is quite expensive at almost 3k one should expect better from a large company like Roland.

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thanks for posting all of these detailed tests :slight_smile: :grimacing:

Well - you’re welcome - TBH - I wish I didn’t have to :slight_smile:

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Paging all the clock nerds here @Monopete @Fauxleroid @innerclock

Okay so I did a thing, I made a 1/8 note 24PPQN wave file, uploaded it into the TR1000, used one track to send 24PPQN audio to Multiclock, then this goes to OXI which splits it to rest of the gear and… it’s kinda awesome I get less than 0.1 BPM fluctuation, TR1000 is the master, and rest of the setup gets awesome clock from the multiclock :stuck_out_tongue:

It looks awesome :smiley: anyone tried something similar? I bypass the whole MIDI clock thing, sounds very good to my ears.

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Hmmmm - interesting - so I’m clear, you made an audio file - 1/8 interval (12 x audio pulses) at a specific tempo ??? Then you assigned this sample as a track instrument and placed triggers on 1/3/5/7/9/11/13/15 and press play and output this audio track via direct out to ERM ???

Am I right ?

Aside from it being (what shouldn’t be required) a complex workaround - my issue (if my understanding is correct) is that even as a Master device - using this method the step to step playback isn’t accurate enough to provide a seamless stream of 24 PPQ pulses to the ERM ???

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Page 18 in the manual: https://www.e-rm.de/data/E-RM_multiclock_manual_EN.pdf

I do not really care that it is a complex workaround, this also enables me to have the whole midi chain the same downstream from multiclock, and I can swap master clock via 1 audio cable, it either takes the click audio from TR1000 or Ableton Push from the plugin, I am very happy with this setup :slight_smile:

I think we can optimize it even further, as my way file was generated via some python script from Gemini :stuck_out_tongue:
I tried to render 1 bar was file from Ableton but it wasn’t stable, but it’s also possible I did something wrong as I got this idea yesterday in the evening while repatching my setup :slight_smile:

Looking forward to other users trying this and reporting how it’s going!

EDIT:
Okay I created 2 pulse sync signals, which is the smallest amount of pulses that can be sequenced internally by the TR1000 sequencer, settings below:

  • set all steps in one channel (I use RC to trigger the sync sample) to 127 vel, and 1/3 ratchets
  • remember to also set the same track the same way as the main one in FILL IN TRIG edit mode
  • remember also to set your chosen track to INDIV out
  • also important to set sync compensation to -20, this fixed a little lag with the new files
  • connect audio cable from INDIV out of chosen track to AUDIO IN in Multiclock

Tested for a few minutes, having BPM readout on Multiclock, Push 3 and OXI, and all seem stable, hihats play on TR1000 and a Push 3 that is behind the OXI and Multiclock :slight_smile:

Below you can find wav files for specific tempo, you can use one, but the more the tempo will deviate from the wave, the bigger the jitter will be ~0,12 ms higher for every 1 BPM.

If there is a need I will generate all sync files, which can be then used for very tight clock :slight_smile:

EDIT2: Generated 2bpm intervals from 100 to 200 bpm: Multiclock sync 2 pulse samples – Google Drive





Please let me know if this works with your TR1000.

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Sorry - I think I’m getting it - explain the use of 1/3 ratchets ???

And these audio samples are groups of pulses locked to specific tempos ???

Possible to provide one at 100.00 BPM ???

Do you trigger the sample on every step ??? Or 1/3/5 etc ???

I just want to be super clear on setup and method before I run the RC output into the analyser and report.

100bpm sample here:

Setting a 1/3 ratchet makes the sample play 3 times on a 1/16, and the sample having 2 pulses, gives 24PPQN :slight_smile:

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One thing you can change is Velocity to the MAX, so there is no processing of the signal at all :slight_smile:

All processing OFF - no need to normalise as running signals into logic analyser :slight_smile:

Just some rough visuals first…

First Pass through analyser:-

Setup: A 50 ms sample containing two pulses exactly 25 ms apart, triggered on every 16th at 100 BPM, each step ratcheted 3×. Result: a continuous 24 PPQ pulse stream from the audio out. Trigger out captured alongside (fires per ratchet = 12 PPQ). 90-second capture at 781.25 kS/s, ~3,600 pulse events.

The point of the two-pulse sample: the interval inside the sample is fixed in the audio file — the sequencer has no say in it. The interval between re-triggers is pure scheduler. Same capture, same outputs, two subsystems measured independently.

Results:
Inside sample playback (1,793 intervals):
• Mean 24,999.85 µs, std 0.03 µs, total span 0.23 µs
• Effectively perfect — the playback engine and DAC path are sub-microsecond

Across re-trigger step boundaries (the scheduler):
• Jitter Max: 2,672 µs
• Only 22% of re-triggers on time
• Every error an exact multiple of 666.67 µs (32-sample buffer @ 48 kHz)
• 8 ratchet triggers silently dropped over 90 seconds — confirmed missing on both audio and trigger out at matching timestamps - reason unknown

Trigger out: leads the analogue audio pulse out by a fixed 355.5 µs.

Please can anyone verify these numbers in case different or method incorrect - I’m struggling to know how the ERM can lock to this and output stable clock to anything ???

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TR-1000 clocking issues might deserve a separate thread.

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That would drive the folks on The all things MPC Thread bonkers if it didn’t get collapsed back into this thread! They already think there’s some sort of conspiracy afoot!

:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Or private group chat, seriously…

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I just figured out a good way to sync stuff to it, I think this is much better than the nonstop crying that stuff doesn’t work :stuck_out_tongue:

Y’all just gotta post more music, myself included. :saluting_face:

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so true. and have more fun in this channel. super boring right now.

here’s some new tr-1000 and module hypno techno practice

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I had the chance to fire mine up for the first time in about 2 months over the weekend (mine is possibly the least used of the entire population in the wild XD) and due to circumstances couldn’t actually hear what I was doing. Based on memory of last using the device and playing it safe with some guestimates I actually put together a decent jam when I got to hear it later. Great instrument.

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Confused ??? It’s no better than current MIDI Clock out from TR-1000 no ???

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