ok…but as an owner of both these machines i am very sure that d16 nepheton is not that close to an 808 than a tr-8 is…sure the tr-8 lacks some silky hihats and also the rimshot is somehow too harsh compared to my 808…but d16 is really not worth to compare…i really never understood that people are talking like “this vst sounds like the real thing”…also every 808 has its own soul…they all differ in sound caused by aged components…also its not all about the sound but also the magic in the sequencer, which in my opinion, roland pretty nailed it.