If people are going into depth about something they don’t want to buy, of course the replies to the professions and wanting are going to be similarly wasted time and energy.
Well it’s far-fetched commentary for the sake of commentary from where I see it. Like if I wanted to be ridiculous I could say the Nintendo Switch microSD card slot is a headache for Nintendo because they sold 100 million units of a device targeted to young demographics and little Timmy bought a full sized SD card instead of a microSD. They would have been better off with just the 32GB of internal storage. So what if you can’t store all your games. After all, it’s not like you’re going to play all of them at once. You can just delete and re-download when you want a specific game. No issue 
I would generally assume [most] people buying electronic instruments for $1000 know their way around an SD card. The card slot which, like the dreaded USB-C (gasp), is commonly found on modern computers and adapters. Bootleg argument can be said for cables as well. I have seen many a person buy USB cables for their phones at gas stations that end up exploding etc. Again, Elektron supplies cables and they include a CF card for new purchases of Octatrack. Wouldn’t have been different here if they had gone that route. We’re also bickering over a hardware part that realistically costs between $20-30.
Maybe it’s not the cost of the parts though. Maybe the cost of having to redo the same I/O backplate that is used for 4 devices now. IDK.
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Yeah you’re right, it is commentary for the sake of commentary (which you’ve involved yourself in), just having a chat about gear. At this point, you’re countering my counters lol. If it bothers you… feel free to not participate 
Having the storage non-removable, and tightly controlling how files get on there is for the stability of the device, Transfer handles getting the audio file into the correct format, so the DT only has to handle audio data it 100% is guaranteed to work with.
I know from experience how challenging reading and converting the myriad of wav files that are out there from varying sources is; keeping that out of the box is an extremely wise decision in my opinion.
As for the transfer speed, I do hope there will be an update to Transfer to address this at some point, as audio data over sysex is never going to be a quick process 
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That would be great in theory, but crashes, failed transfers and corruption of the +Drive are of the core issues the original poster and I have cited as reasons for the return.
You have to wonder whether the +Drive architecture which seems to populate many Elektron devices is simply a bad design choice.
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Likewise. I’ve done manual and auto slicing and always come back to this method.
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if we all were just inclined to accept the fact that we all approach workflows in which ever ways that we do and that none of them are superior or inferior to the way others make their approach then the majority of our breakfast cereals will taste better in the morning… some people use pad parameters to chop samples, some use lazy chops, some use destructive slicing, some use non-destructive slicing, some use patch phrase slicing some use manual/copy paste, some use p.locks, some use regions, some use transient detection, some use grids, some use a daw, some use an editor, some only mono, some only stereo, some both, some use only their eyes some use only their ears… if we could just understand that no way is better and that the more options we have the better off we’ll all be because the more of us will get to experience the wonderful instrument that is the digitakt.
but no creative process is better than another, they all speak to us differently.
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Yes, BUT every instrument shapes the performance and player.
I think that’s being forgotten here a bit in some of the back n forth… Instruments aren’t just a collection of features, they’re a particular way to make music.
Like, the reason I won’t sell my SP to trade up to a DTII, even though I got the SP to cover “missing” DT features like 16 levels, is because I inevitably make very different music on the SP than I do on the DT just from how it feels. And I value both.
There are samples that I could never work with on the DT that just “click” on the SP because of its physical feel and workflow, and vice-versa.
That said, I agree with you on the slicing thing, because I think that those update would fit really naturally into the DT’s current workflow. I think if anything they’d make the DT more, uh, DT-like.
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i think no musician is shaped in the same fashion though, so if we would just accept that instruments and people have different shapes we could spend more time expressing ideas about music and features instead of trying to shut somebody down… since there is no ‘better’ and only a ‘what’s better for me or you’…
I’ll surely spend the rest of my life begging Elektron to put a crossfader on their next beatmachine on the left… but I would never ask them to stop putting them on the right because that’s what works for other people and I’m happy that they have that option
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I kind of get this perspective. I always had half an eye on a Digitakt but it didn’t really cater to what I wanted from a sampler. If I just wanted a drum sampler maybe.
However since then I think I do want that and the ‘extra’ nature of the DT2 might be enough to cinch it. However I still don’t think it would meet my original aspirations for a sampler, but thats ok.
A tongue in cheek suggestion if you really want the DT workflow but need 100Gb of samples is to just get five DT2s.
More seriously (slightly), you could also pair a DT2 with something like the 1010 Blackbox or maybe the Tangerine, have your full sample library on that (via sd card) and then just sample what you need into DT2 projects as you go. You might eventually hit the 20Gb limit working that way but there wound probably be a new device out by then.
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The main thing for me is that it can’t power the device, as it’s limited to 5V.
And most other devices now use C-to-C cables, rather than A-to-B with an adapter, or buying new C-to-B cables.
It’s nice for retriggers, but I agree - not great for playing.
Yeah that would be a killer feature if the Elektron boxes could be powered by a single cable that also passed audio and MIDI both ways. That would be incredible.
I dont mean it in a bad way but all the negative things you mentioned you knew before. They are no surprises. Why do you buy a device that doesn’t deliver what you want? Again: I dont wanna sound harsh
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@Scyphozoa
@Hawk
It’s like you guys never heard of a ground loops.
I get that USB-C power would be a nice feature for going mobile but it doesn’t make much sense for a studio or live performance device.
Powering a device with USB and sending the outputs to an audio interface which is also connected with USB creates a ground loop which causes buzzing/electrical noise.
Elektron keeps the audio power/ground separated from the USB on the PCB specifically to prevent this. Like any high end audio interface, it uses a separate power supply to do this.
It’s the same reason why the SP-404MKII still has a power supply even though it can be powered by USB-C.
Also, for anyone suggesting USB 3.0:
It would take ~11 minutes to fill the DT2 at full USB 2.0 speed. Real world speed for USB 2.0 file transfer is ~30MB/sec. The protocol is the issue, not the hardware.
Having said that, I think I’m also out for now.
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Has anyone asked if the slow transfer speed is a protocol bug or intended?
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Yeah maybe they didn’t see the 0 in front of the speed and called it a day. Original Digitakt is faster than Digitakt II, just did a test:
But even then 0.6MiB/s is about 5 megabits p/s. If they fix it on the Digitakt II to match the speed of the Digitakt we are talking about a 0.2 - 0.3 increase.
Ground loop irrelevant if you’re using USB for audio. I think that’s what was suggested.
Ah, like a single cable Overbridge box. I guess that would indeed be handy for some of us.
I still wouldn’t be very confident in powering everything from a single power source though.
And there is the potential for a power cycle when your computer needs a reboot.
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Ground loop is in this case irrelevant but interference is not, especially when the power source is not “clean”.
I’m glad the data transfer and power is 100% separated.
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