Replacing Octatrack with Rytm?

Why not get a decent hardware controller for Live and a audio interface then?

I own a Octatrack, it’s absolutely stellar, but i’ve got one to create stuff without a DAW.

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Question … why go hardware anyway? From my experience I would say, there is nothing like a perfect H/W-S/W integration on the market. Not from Elektron, not from Access, not from others. It’s nice to have and use it, but … :wink:

The OT is a digital performance sampler for live performance. Generally speaking … wouldn’t recording in the DAW and playing back with some plug-in FX not be much easier? The OT has the typcial time-based FX like chorus, phaser, flanger, delays and reverbs, EQs, and two special FX, which are comb-filter and LO-FI. I think we can find this as plug-in too.

If we don’t use the capability of the OT to control over 100 sound paramters per track at our fingertips, there would IMO be no advantage to go outside a DAW. But if this is, what we want, there is only the OT.

Compared to the OT the RYTM supports quite a basic sampler functionality. The OT comes with different sampler-machines, two FX per track, three LFOs per track, the option to augment a track with the capabilities of a “neighbor-machine” track, adding up even more FX and LFO, and much more.

Just wait, it’s the next big thing, “GEARless Jams”…
Look Dad, no hardware…
DAW ONLY MUSIC!!!

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An interesting way to utilize the octatrack in conjunction with ableton live is to use an external FX device on a return track and then send any channel you want to octatrack for further mangling.

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To be fair to the original post I too am stuck between the OT and the RYTM for drums… but I just gel really well with the rytm and can get the ideas out of my head and into that machine really quickly… but I did not own an OT for very long when I did have one years ago. But recently I’ve been thinking about trading in my digitakt for it…

There are many ways to make music, find the one that works for you.

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I roll with both of em, OT+AR. The combo is out of this world, I’d be torn to let either of them go. If I had to let one go it’d have to be AR only because my music is based around live instrument audio loops and theoretically I could squeeze some drums out of the OT at he same time. That’s the last thing I want to do though, together they are too good.

It’s hard to even begin to describe the amazing synergy between the two especially once your sending midi including arps and lfos from OT to AR and have AR audio coming back in being looped, sliced, remixed, and effected across multiple OT tracks and warping and mixing it all with scenes!

If they are right next to each other it feels like one box even at this point. My OT usually doesn’t play pre recorded samples, right now it’s a dedicated AR expander as my instruments aren’t around. OT just feels like an extension of AR, the only audio that comes out of it must first enter its audio inputs from AR…

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I agree with all of this. What the OT MIDI can do to the AR via Performance and Scenes and what the AR can do for the OT - relieve it of drums - is a synergy unlike any other.

If your music is beat driven, there is nothing you can’t do with this pair.

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You can feed Ableton into the 4 inputs of the OT. No USB mode required. Just throw down record trigs on your 8 tracks and arm disarm to taste. The OT will sync to Ableton. It will sample, in time, whatever you throw at it from ableton.

Scenes and performance on RYTM are really powerful. Not sure if Mkii is mono like the MKI sample playback. I own two MKI. I use one for drums and bass DVCO.

The other for samples, perc noise, loops, one shots. All with that analog engine behind it. It’s a monster.

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if you’re just using the OT for short, one-shot samples, then I’d say you could totally switch over to the RYTM and be good. you’d lose some stuff and gain some stuff, though. but it sounds like you want to use either for mangling loops which you’ve recorded into or otherwise created within Live. the RYTM isn’t going to be great for that, and likely can’t do a lot of what you’d be asking of it.

what was the workflow you’d imagined, if the OT had had Overbridge? would you be playing the loops from Live and recording them with the OT? I think that would actually take more time than just dragging/dropping them via USB. also, you could always just play from Live through a sound card and record into the OT, if that’s your desired workflow.

Also you can sequence 8 vst’s from OT midi tracks. Might be synths, might be fx that you’ve routed either DAW or OT audio tracks through and now you can plock their parameters all synced up on the Elektron sequencer… :slight_smile:

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Do we love the OT?

YES WE DO!!!

Right! Just MIDI out on DIN or have I missed something on the USB bus?

I’m just breaking into my Korg Legacy for just this. Write the sequence. Sample it. Slice it. Mangle it or Nicerize it. No matter. It’s in my +drive for use whenever, however.

I’ve been doing this with my hardware synths for a few months now. So easy to build a song up.

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OCTATRACK FOR LIFE!!
#Octacult
#:elot:Rules

I use an iconnectmidi box to convert the din to usb. If you go looking you’ll find devices featuring various amounts of connections and features that will do this…

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It’s happening. I took the month of February off from all hardware. Conclusion. Ableton’s a pretty powerful tool.

I made a number of tracks but like this one a lot.

And you can’t go wrong with either the OT or Rytm. They both rock!!!

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Thats slamin’ Bro!! :loud_sound::zap::zap::zap:

damn… why is it that the dj promo service keeps sending me shit from big names butts while you’re here dropping proper bombs ?

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@Open_Mike @acidhouseforall - thank you both!!!

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Dude I fwas there like 10 years ago…
Everything goes in cycles.
I cannot understand the apparent displeasure over lack of overbridge (a programe i do not see the need for personally)
I started recording music on open reel tape. So infinte tracks and no degredation in fidelity no matter how many overdubs you do is bloody amazing.
Kids today huh?

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To be fair - OB is pretty awesome. The Rytm plug in is nice to.

There’s nothing wrong with a little technological progression. Can’t hate on that.

I mean, we used to communicate just fine without cell phones and the internet…

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Man I never thought of using the two like this!
Nice.

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It’s pretty wild, I’m using all the AR’s voices as sound sources and sampling different ones of them into 7 of OT’s tracks + master track, mixed with the entire rytm sum or at least what’s currently not muted through mixer direct. I’m using OT’s arp on single cycle waves for lead melodies. Lots of sampling, slice remix, warping, and crazy fx and audio manipulation with OT scenes. Been controlling AR scenes, performance, velocity, and aftertouch mods from OT midi tracks with plocks and lfo’s :smiley:. I’m mostly controlling AR from OT and all the sounds are from AR which makes it seem like one unit as I said, I’m so used to the combo unit I need the OT on the left, on the right it seems weird to me now…

Really I’m a guitar player and instrument looper, but not having a place to set that all up has gotten me to go deeper with the trons which is really good for me. There’s a thread around right now about advanced AR techniques and I wrote a bunch of stuff about my current experiments but I accidentally deleted it… When I feel up to re typing it I’ll describe the setup more on that thread…

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