Real Future Of AI in Music: Production Copilot Coming To Your DAW?

onthebannedwagon · 2023-04-21T22:06:25.503Z

I won’t need a machine elf to tell me my AI assisted music sucks.

sacguy71 · 2023-04-21T22:12:47.043Z

I would love the perfect AI mastering recording tool that capture live performance jams and perfects to studio release ready albums. Would save me hundreds of hours of DAW work.

sleepside · 2023-04-21T23:31:43.893Z

Grumo · 2023-04-22T00:24:14.649Z

I’m with you and @m0ld, sometimes we are just working alone when we would need someone to help when making a decision.

The usefulness of AI tools for me would be giving some ideas when you need them, not to make the whole thing.

Grumo · 2023-04-22T00:56:08.431Z

Anyway I think that there are tools that make sense, like a wheel, a pulley, a lever… And other tools that completely take the fun out of an activity.

That’s the reason why people still paints without a computer for example but no one makes concrete music cutting tape by hand anymore.

At the beginning of Dall-E I was very excited with the results, now AI generated images are boring for me, you can be curious, but they have no real interest.

Maybe the imposture can become convincing for a lot of people in many areas, but a machine will never have “soul”, and surely this is going to show the value of the human when creating anything.

A machine could give you the music you prompt, but it will never be in the mood to create music, it won’t have any urgency to express anything.

This phenomena reminds me that sometimes we just need a friend with good judgement to count on when you need a second opinion.

earthangel · 2023-04-22T01:09:36.092Z

now AI generated images are boring for me, you can be curious, but they have no real interest.

I’m still pretty intrigued by the image generators. Messing around with re-training using a smaller subset of images and being really precise and iterative about the prompting has shown me that tools like Stable Diffusion continue to reveal hidden depth in their potential for output. Similar to the way that audio synthesizers do.

I don’t think I have much interest in asking a machine learning algorithm to write melodies for me but I probably won’t be able to stay away from future audio generators for the purposes of exploring new sound design possibilities.

Grumo · 2023-04-22T01:31:18.903Z

Of course if these tools are well used that can be awesome, I mean a lot of things I see that can be surprising in the first moment but then there are thousands like that.

I’m very curious about a lot of AI uses and tools, and how people will be using them to inspire themselves, for example.

Only a reminder: in the school they told me that luddites were against the technology, the machines, the progress… I think their problem was that the owners of those machines condemned them to misery, precarity and a new slavery.

So, is progress always good? Progress to where? Leaded by who?

chaocrator · 2023-04-26T07:08:52.977Z

there are two coexisting paradigms of «music»:

harmonies, melodies, all that stuff. i call it music for musicians.
«interesting textures», «advanced effect chains», «creative randomization» and all that stuff. i call it music for non-musicians.
currently this paradigm prevails, since either mainstream (hip-hop based) and underground (techno based) genres don’t require any tunes at all and can be entirely made just of beats, textures & effects.

AI sucks when it comes to making music from notes.
but AI certainly can and will rock in doing all that fancy technical stuff.

Volt_Thrower · 2023-04-29T07:28:13.193Z

I’m curious what are the best AI tools for music right now? The whole Drake/Weeknd thing is all over the news being touted as AI generated music. However, beyond deepfake vocals it seems like the track was created and produced by someone like any other track. I’m not sure how much of it is supposed to be AI or not and the media kind of misunderstands and dumbs down the idea to make it sounds like someone just types in a prompt.

trackerjack · 2023-04-29T08:47:01.188Z

Somebody please train an AI to compile all of @sezare56’s posts about the Octatrack into a nice manual.

That would be great.
Nothing against that Merlin guy…

MichalHo · 2023-05-08T17:21:43.334Z

Some generative dub, using an early version of an upcoming generative audio tool.

Taimi · 2023-05-09T10:30:13.291Z

Oh man, sounds good. What kind of tool is that nendo, what does it do exactly?

g3o2 · 2023-05-09T11:42:22.500Z

brisket:

it is algorithmically generated and thus meets the criteria of other AI as to what is worth showing

It is unfortunately more complex than that: the output is based on what the algorithm generates given the data on which it was trained and also given your input, if any is required. So if the train data set contains copyrighted material, that’s what it will potentially use for the output.

“Fixing the copyright issue” means that you would either need to feed the algorithm with data based on a free-to-use licence (e.g. creative commons), or have the algorithm check the output for similarity with copyrighted material and “punish” it when it gets too close.
The former reduces the quality of the AI’s output because there is less free data to train on, while the latter is not foolproof because it suffers from the lack of definition (how close is too close?) and the quality of the underlying database.

MichalHo · 2023-05-10T06:08:26.003Z

Some info here:
https://okio.ai/generatedwithnendo/

chrisroland · 2023-05-12T03:35:27.226Z

welp, sorry musicians. you had a good run

https://twitter.com/zackhargett/status/1656812761324875776

alechko · 2023-05-12T03:48:09.188Z

I can’t stop thinking about the modular manufacturers that were afraid of people participating in NGNY or similar, with DAW and AI probably many more and even larger manufacturers are going to change or even go out of business…

Suspect_Frequency · 2023-05-12T09:48:10.249Z

Specular-D · 2023-05-12T10:51:05.979Z

Hopefully I’ll be able to give my AI copilot an 8bit jazz sample and just sit there drinking whisky and saying, “zoom in, stop. Enhance from 0:02 to 0:12, stop. Enhance bassline, stop.”

etc etc

tovia · 2023-07-11T18:16:28.824Z

This plugin is very interesting (and free!): https://neutone.space/

I don’t really know how to describe what it does other than take an input and change it to something else based on whatever AI model you have loaded into the plugin, but it’s incredibly fun to use, and I was surprised with how well synced the live generated audio was in Ableton (it reported a really high latency, but resampling worked just fine without having to edit the start and end points too much)

Diefenbaker · 2024-09-23T11:31:35.157Z

Generating instruments with prompts.