RE-303 Audio Out -> Digitone USB Audio Out -> Rytm USB Audio In?

Scyphozoa · 2024-02-29T03:16:02.676Z

Class-compliant USB only means that a driver is not required for audio/midi to work.

The device still has to be connected to a USB host (typically a computer or phone/tablet).

You can’t connect two USB source devices together directly like that. And in most cases, you can only use one class-compliant audio device at a time with a DAW (this is why Overbridge exists).

But you could probably make this work using the analog audio inputs and MIDI.

alfiedotwtf · 2024-02-29T06:41:33.471Z

Oh, nuts. Thanks for the info.

Besides a computer, are there any type of devices that can take USB Audio from the Digitone and “convert” to something the Rytm can accept over USB Audio in?

I guess my last option would be Digitone Audio Out -> Mixer with USB Audio Out -> Rytm. From my understanding, this should work?

shigginpit · 2024-02-29T06:50:02.470Z

actually that doesn’t sound right because you can monitor audio when it’s used as an interface. hold on let me look.

alfiedotwtf · 2024-02-29T06:52:14.018Z

Thanks.

But I’m not sure that’s correct… The Rytm manual says that it does take Audio and Audio over USB, and you can assign it to a pad or the sampler or both.

So if something like a tascam USB mixer can take USB Audio In but then spit it back out, I think you’re onto something. Nice

shigginpit · 2024-02-29T06:56:31.408Z

E: This didn’t seem to be it. I’ll keep digging.

alechko · 2024-02-29T07:04:20.521Z

if you’re on mac you can create Aggregate Device from the Audio MIDI Setup, otherwise you’d need to use only one of them as audio interface and plug in the other with cables, you can’t use two audio interfaces simultaneously.

alfiedotwtf:

I could p-lock the Rytm reverb and delay sends.

you can do that from the rytm’s fx track

btw, I’m not sure I’ve got this correctly, do you want to use the rytm’s reverb and delay for external audio?

alfiedotwtf · 2024-02-29T07:07:57.645Z

alechko:

you can do that from the rytm’s fx track

btw, I’m not sure I’ve got this correctly, do you want to use the rytm’s reverb and delay for external audio?

Yeah, I want to be able to p-lock Rytm’s reverb and delay for the RE-303… but from reading the manual, the Rytm only applies reverb and delay to incoming USB audio whereas normal audio in just goes straight to out

shigginpit · 2024-02-29T07:08:51.881Z

I know you can buy a usb host device as a standalone piece (I have one) but I think this has to involve a computer and overbridge. I see this thread where tchu mentions using the sidechain input routing capability of A4 or AR to do something similar?

USB Audio between Analog4 and Digitakt Elektron Gear

The only way that I know is with Overbridge via the A4 Sidechain Input Routing. From the Overbridge manual (p.25-26) : 6.9 INPUT ROUTING In addition to the outputs, the Analog Rytm and Analog Keys/Four plugins also have four stereo (L/R) inputs. Use the input routing functionality if you want to route audio (from, for example, a regular software plugin or an external instrument jacked into your DAW) through a voice on your Overbridge device, for example, to treat the audio to some analog pro…

alechko · 2024-02-29T07:09:59.754Z

alfiedotwtf:

Rytm only applies reverb and delay to incoming USB audio

*Overbridge, with OB you can route audio to pads and apply effects, I’m not even sure it’s possible with the standalone app but from the plugin…

Using the RYTM as an Analog Mixer with Overbridge Analog Rytm

Routing audio from your DAW through one of the signal paths of the rytm is a known feature of the overbridge software, however, I have yet to see an example of this so I made my own. Quick rundown of how it works: With overbridge and the ASIO drivers installed along with the “overbridge” mode enabled in the USB menu on the RYTM, you should be able to select the Analog RYTM as an audio device. With Reaper (my DAW of choice, so I can only speak to how it works with that), you can route audi…

alfiedotwtf · 2024-02-29T07:10:20.177Z

Ah nice. Thanks for the link - I did search before I asked but couldn’t find anything. Your googlefu is

shigginpit · 2024-02-29T07:11:06.238Z

No worries man, I know the struggle. I didn’t assume you had not searched, just sometimes things are not as easy to search as they should be (or could be, might be the better way to say it).

alfiedotwtf · 2024-02-29T07:11:49.134Z

Nah, the manual says you can do it also with USB audio. And once you change the settings in the config, you can set audio routing to the pads with them too… so not just OB.

alechko · 2024-02-29T07:15:34.051Z

ah right! I’ve never tried it that’s why I probably forgot it exists!

shigginpit · 2024-02-29T07:29:30.568Z

Is this what you were following from the manual?

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I think they aren’t clearly saying class compliant host device, but that’s what it should say. Given the situation, it seems a little difficult without a device that can accept 2 usb sources and also pass audio through the host. I was briefly looking and saw iconnectivity device that had the right ports and some of the correct features, but I don’t know if they all connect in the right way internally. I’ll bring it back up real quick.

Ok the iconnectivity device is midi host only, man you wouldn’t think it would be that uncommon in 2024 to want a usb audio host…

alfiedotwtf · 2024-02-29T07:46:57.292Z

Yeah, that’s the page. But thinking about it I may not have disabled FX for track 1. Currently working now, so I’ll try again tonight. Thanks for pointing that out.

iconnectivity

Nice, I’ll have a look if my tests don’t work

shigginpit · 2024-02-29T07:48:57.684Z

LMK if it works, I think the iconnectivity is a flop bc looks like it’s host port is midi only according to another site (their own site info is misleading in this regard), but if I see something else that looks promising I’ll let you know.

alfiedotwtf · 2024-02-29T07:56:25.924Z

Thanks for helping out

If this works, I’ll be over the moon. I’ll definitely come back and tell you all how it goes.

Scyphozoa · 2024-02-29T11:39:13.606Z

The short answer is that you cannot think of USB audio the same way as analog audio interconnects. It’s made for computer connectivity.

I think your options are:

Connect both devices to a computer running Overbridge.
Connect all devices to a computer (or tablet/phone) via a 5+ channel audio interface (analog).
Connect all devices to an audio mixer (analog).
Daisy-chain audio through the analog inputs on the devices themselves.

It is only possible to do the USB audio routing you want when both devices are connected to a computer running Overbridge in a DAW.

Overbridge enables this kind of connectivity because it uses a custom driver instead of class-compliant audio.

It’s technically possible to use an aggregate device on a computer with class-compliant audio as well, so that a DAW sees the two boxes as a single interface; but that is far more trouble than it’s worth in my opinion (it’s a last-resort for devices that do not have Overbridge-like connectivity).

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With both the Digitone and Rytm having analog audio inputs/outputs, you should be able to connect all three devices together though.

RE-303 into Rytm, Rytm into Digitone.

That is by far the easiest option (though it’s not going to scale well beyond that).

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If you want more flexible audio routing/mixing, you would need an audio mixer with 5+ inputs (which mixes analog audio signals).

Or to use a class-compliant multi-channel audio interface connected to a device like an iPad - if you don’t want something as big as a mixer, but also don’t want to deal with a “computer” or traditional DAW.

The advantage of this setup (or even daisy-chaining as above, and then connecting the Rytm or Digitone via USB) is that you can now bring software instruments or effects into the mix.

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The one exception to how USB audio typically works is the Roland Aira MX-1 mixer.

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This mixer does have USB Host ports for multiple devices; but they are only compatible with Aira Link devices for bringing USB audio into the mixer, powering the device, and MIDI/Transport connectivity over a single cable.

You cannot connect regular class-compliant devices to these ports.

I do think there’s a market for a digital mixer that has its own class-compliant host ports on the back - or better yet, for Elektron to copy the MX-1 but have Overbridge-enabled host ports on the back.

But I don’t believe any kind of device like this currently exists - probably because it would be a massive undertaking to ensure the class-compliant audio works reliably with all devices, and the benefit over using a regular mixer is arguably going to be quite small.

alfiedotwtf · 2024-02-29T13:27:04.711Z

The short answer is that you cannot think of USB audio the same way as analog audio

I finally got to try exactly what it says in the manual as @shigginpit pointed out, but it doesn’t work

As I don’t want any computers involved, it looks like I’m sweet out of luck, because I’ve been looking at USB compliant audio interfaces and also mixers, but I don’t think any of them can do what I was planning.

Damn. I think we only real option is to sample the RE-303 into the rytm and p-lock effects as a sample. Man, that sucks

Thanks everyone for your help!!

alfiedotwtf · 2024-03-02T12:16:47.602Z

I got it!!!

Wow I am so damn chuffed right now… but for this work around, I had to burn another MIDI track. Still worth it IMHO

Here’s my setup:

MIDI Track 1
- Set MIDI Source = Channel 1
- Set CC Select 1 = 74 (filter cutoff)
- Set CC Select 2 = 65 (portamento on/off)
- Record some trigs
- P-lock a few trigs with different CCS1/2 values

This is what I had so far and it works with the RE-303 nicely except I couldn’t p-lock FX. Enter MIDI FX channel and MIDI Track 2

Global MIDI Config:
- Output Channel = Track Channel
- Receive CC/NRPN [Y]
- Parameter Output = CC
- MIDI 1 Channel = OFF
- FX Control Channel = 5 ( )

Since MIDI Track 1 is sending MIDI to my Kenton Pro Solo MK3 through a DOREMiDi so that it can send CV/Gate/Cutoff to the RE-303, and the Digitone has MIDI coming in from that same DOREMiDi, MIDI 1 Channel = OFF needs to happen so that I don’t get MIDI loops. But why does the Digitone need MIDI IN anyway - MIDI IN for FX on Channel 5 of course

MIDI Track 2
- Set MIDI Source = Channel 5
- Set CC Select 1 = 20 (Digitone’s MIDI CC MSB for Delay Mix Volume)
- Set CC Select 2 = 23 (Digitone’s MIDI CC MSB for Reverb Mix Volume)
- P-lock a few trigs with different CCS1/2 values

IT WORKS, AND IT IS FCKING AMAZING

Seriously… acid is just falling off of this setup.

If you’re interested in having a go, here’s the Digitone MIDI CCs available:

midi.guide

Elektron Digitone MIDI CCs and NRPNs

MIDI implementation details for the Elektron Digitone