So while I am in the midst of preparing my live set I experienced with live sampling/remixing and the transition trick. For my needs I did a lil variation and therefore ran in to a problem. I already have a workaround however I want to understand it.
So I basically do the transition trick from tarekith where he samples t8 as the master or cued tracks. I combine that with the techniques from this video, auto slicing and reworking the recorded loop. https://youtu.be/q51M40KdtRA
So what I ended up doing was ditching the master track and use track 8 as dedicated sampling track. Everything works: fader to the right just my recording, to the left: actual stuff on the octa. So when the fader is to the right and I switch bank to a new song, the loop stops playing. So I set up track 8 in the new song to the same flex recorder set my volume scenes etc and now it works with transitioning.
My question is now why exactly this happens? Is it because I also switch parts and therefore scenes? And why is having track 8 as master preventing this?
I also have the problem that my slice reworks are basically gone, when I transition to a new bank/song. I guess best way is to live sample my rework again before I transition? (which gives me instant headaches when I think about how to set this up in a smart way)
I also have some small questions to the embedded video: I somehow can’t set “auto slices” to an empty recording buffer track. Only works after there’s a sample in it.
And if someone can enlighten me on the benefits on how he sets qrec and plen in the recording set up page 2, I would be thankful.
I did some research on these things in old topics but didn’t find an answer, so excuse this rather basic stuff.
Are you saying it doesn’t work with a master track?
If you have a master track you can still use recorder track 8 but you’d need to use a different track like track 7 to actually play the sample, might want to just use recorder track 7 for simplicity…
If your going to always use the transition trick you’d want the same track let’s say track 7 again always set up to play recoding7 on all patterns. You can have previous patterns samples play through to other patterns by making sure silence tracks is not enabled in the global settings, and that it’s not overridden in the pattern settings with starts silent: yes for that track… If your always going to use transition trick though you’ll want a flex setup the same way on every pattern with a trig on step one playing the buffer, so when you record again it triggers the new sample, although I’ve never tried re-recording a looping buffer without triging again…
You’ll want your track mixing scenes set up the same way on all parts at least the ones affecting transition track, you can copy/paste…
You do need a sample in the buffer to make slices, but you can re-record the sample and they’ll stick. Without a sample first the buffer has no length, so nothing to slice. There’s a lingering bug where sliced buffers don’t hold after power cycle, start points work great though and are the same as slices of equal spacing…
Haven’t watched the video but qrec: plen just means the recorder is quantized to pattern length, so when using manual sampling you can press the buttons anytime during a pattern cycle and the recording will start on step 1 of the next cycle… For one-shot recorders it doesn’t apply…
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Using start points like slices for buffers:
Start points allow you to target playback from 128 different positions, 128 slices…
For the equivalent of a 64 slice grid you use the even number start points:
0=slice1
2=slice2
4=slice3
6=slice4, etc…
Key start points are:
0: beginning of bar 1
32: beginning of bar 2
64: beginning of bar 3
96: beginning of bar 4
If your source is a 64 step pattern like capturing a Rytm loop, you can target points in the recording that are specific steps from the Rytm pattern using the equation:
(the step# would be the same slice# for a 64 slice cut)
So for example:
step/slice 33=start point 64 (33x2)-2=64
step/slice 57=start point 112 (57x2)-2=112
-Major benefit of using start points for live sample remixes is you can change tempo, rerecord, and your remix is in time…
If you change tempo with slices it will work but not if you rerecord at the new tempo, you have to reslice again for the new tempo…
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I watched the video…
For your switching banks slice question, what’s happening is your live recording slice playback onto a track sequence using slice mode… When you switch to any different pattern that will be gone because it was live recoded to the specific pattern… If you want that to carry through you’d have to set up something similar to the transition trick but just for that track. Basically sample the track to a buffer, have the buffer set to loop, and as said above as long as silence tracks and starts silent parameters are set accordingly, which they are by default, your looping sample of the slice remix will play through on the same track number of other patterns, as long as there’s not a trig on that track…
I generally set up pre arranged slice tracks either in grid recording or live record in slice mode, and copy them to other patterns where I want them if needed… So my remixes are already there for performance…
He uses qrec:4 but I would suggest qrec:plen like I said above for easy perfect loops…
He’s using os1.25E or earlier and that’s why his sliced buffers hold after power cycle, the bug creeped in after that video was made…
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huh. so actually I did everything right. I didn’t use the master track, because I didn’t get why I should lose two tracks - so now on my first and last pattern for every song T8 is always a flex recorder buffer.
I thought with T8 as master there would be no need to set everything up the way you described and I did - that it just works.
Re-Sampling the sampled loop is actually quite fun - I tried different stuff in example unmuting T7 (which is drums and vocal chops incoming from the mpc) in my sample playback scene, trigger some vocal chops, record it, play it back, mangle it. It just overrides you current sample and while you record it can be a bit chaotic, but I tried it with drum chops and I almost wanted to start using pick up machines to layer hand played loops 
Thank you very much for laying down the start point concept. I read sooooo much about it on here and never quite understand it fully.
I kinda think there’s still a need to gather informations in one place about live-sampling/transition-trick and especially one-shot/play free tracks. For example that whole thing about arming tracks is quite crucial, but in tutorials I’ve seen either it didn’t get mentioned or its just a n embedded sentence.
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I see - so you don’t use this techniques on the fly? It seems so intriguing, but I feel like it takes a little to long doing all the necessary stuff. I’ll definitely will try to use pre-sliced recording buffer and prepared slice/start point trigs later. It’s difficult to find the balance between improv and preparing things - if I always do it the same way I feel like there’s no need to live sample I just do it once, save it and use it every time. If I do it live, it’s not always so tempting, I get easily lost in fiddling. And actually people are just waiting for the next song to start haha
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I set up flex slice remix tracks(using start points) that rearrange the slice order, pitch shifts, fx ,etc… Sometimes I use slice mode/live record to make them, but then I keep the in the pattern…
I’m a looper so I’ll feed different source material through these and at different tempos, so even though it’s the same remix pattern it sounds a lot different, just the rhythm of it is the same…
Usually have a scene set up to mix it in with xvol…
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