I meant voice stealing in the prophet 5
Exactly
which is why it’s all over the place
hence I prefer the 5.
I’m a mono guy. I bought the DNkeys, now my gf is the only one using it.
She likes to have at least 8 voices tho, since she doesn’t like the release being cut off.
Thus, i think it’s a matter of taste. Go try it on a cheap soft synth and decide on your feeling.
Great music can be made no matter how much voices + there are always workarounds
Ha, what a great quote! And true!
My first analog poly was a Tetra, so I got used to working around a 4 voice limitation. I’m definitely more a producer than a player - my keyboard skills lag way behind drums and guitar. If I were in the market for a Rev 4 it’d definitely be the Prophet 5 rather than the 10. I need space in a mix to layer other instruments and I enjoy working with the rhythmic possibilities of voice stealing.
Fwiw, 6 voices is probably my perfect number.
great quote indeed
yeah, obviously a lot depends on your playing style.
I’d buy the 10, but that’s because I could then play like Terry Riley’s “10 Voices of the Two Prophets”, but on one Prophet. Apart from not being able to play like Terry Riley, of course.
What @diswest said.
Main gripe in regards to “only” having 4-6 voices is release tails cutting off
I’m not really into traditional chords, but am a BIG fan of long release times with decaying notes overlapping new ones, and having 6-8 notes of polyphony just for that is a plus.
This.
Too often voice stealing is seen as a bug and not a feature. It’s quite useful.
When I am doing chord work in Repro-5, I’ll often adjust the voice limitation and note priority to get the vibe I want.
And even on Pro 2 with a detuned saw superwave, the whole vibe of the hook I am making in paraphonic mode relies on the 4 voice limitation.
It gets out of the way, and once you notice the how, when, and why it gets out of the way, it becomes part of the instrument and influences how you compose. Embrace it!
I believe there was a firmware update to Prophet 10, which allows you to play it in 5 voice mode (I’m not sure if you specify it per patch, or of it is a global setting you toggle).
So if you believe you would need 10 voices sometimes, but still want the possibly of the 5-voice and its voice stealing at other times, that can now be done.
Maybe just check the manual to confirm, but I’m sure I read this on a Prophet thread somewhere.
i saw that, sounds great, then the only remaining question is if thats worth 1000 euro’s more…
Yeah, absolutely. It’s a big part of the Pro 2 character and I love how it pushes the sound in interesting different directions. I didn’t appreciate it when I first had a Pro 2 but I love it now.
8 is plenty for me. 6 works too. i don’t mind cutoffs on pads because usually it is mud if too many are decaying.
I rarely use more than 5 voices per synth. When arranging music, I think in terms of parts - this bass synth will play 1 voice, this chording synth will play 4 voices of some digital-sounding pluck patch, this other chording synth will play 3 voices of this analog sounding patch, etc.
this. and it really depends upon YOUR sound. with what I’m typically doing, massive voice counts don’t make sense. I’ll typically layer a few melodies, plus a bass line, percussive/texture elements and drums. i.e. not using big chords where 10+ voices are necessary. but if I did more ambient or soundtrack style sounds, where one synth sound is the focus, I could see it being necessary.
one thing I will say is that in synths like the Rev2 where you can either split the keys into two distinct patches, or layer them, a higher voice count isn’t bad. but again then it’s a question of “OK you have two layers now and a pretty complex sound, do you really need 8 voices for each?” depends upon your music…
also @tendingtropic keep in mind that with the P5/10 Sequential hasn’t confirmed or denied whether or not they’ll add an option to upgrade a 5 to a 10. I asked the one dude that hangs out on various forums (MW and GS) and he basically said “we’ll see… we have other stuff to do first.” they did it with the Rev2. I want to say they did with others as well, but I’m not certain.
Yes thanks everyone, leaning to the prophet 5 and not the 10.
I don’t expect to use big chords that need 10 voices.
Also I just did a test with some 4 note chords with long release with a 5 voice and 8 voice repro VST (u-he) and while you can hear the cutting of the release tail with the 5 voice option, leading to more ‘attack’ kind of feel in the second chord, I actually preferred this over the muddyness of the 8 voice.
Only thing is, that when using unison kind of patches, so more voices per note, that I might miss the 10 voices… but that would mean I’d have to want to do chords with unison patches, and this probably creates a wall of sound that does not sit welll in mixes. oh the luxury dilemma’s!
And thank you @chiasticon for the suggestion, perhaps it might be possible to upgrade a 5 to a 10 someday, so that I just start with the 5 and see if I miss it someday.
Alex Ball on YT does a review of the P10 and in it he does 10 voice unison with the maximum detune between voices. good luck fitting that into a mix. ![]()
So I had actually been deliberating between a Rev2 and a Polybrute for this reason. (prophet character + voice count vs. timbral variety + a touch more mod overhead).
It’s not that I’m necessarily looking for super fat walls of sound in a 8 note chord, but rather the color that only comes from several interval combinations. Sure, you can create linear motifs that correspond with your desired color, but sometimes you don’t want to fill up time with movement. Sometimes you want to just sit with a color for a bit.