Patches help

just got my keys but dont like any sounds on it. is there anyway of getting my own sound on i love techno and have loads of sounds id like on my key. there all wav and AIFF. so how could i get them to syx if u can. or can i record from octatrack to keys

by learning how to synthesize equivalents

The Analog Keys is a synthesizer, not a sample player. It does not play audio files.

Yes you can get ā€œyour signatureā€ sound out of this box … why?

AK and A4 have the typcical waveforms like triangle, saw, and pulse, but also a special wave form called Transistor Pulse, which is unique AFAIK. Each of the waveforms can be changed by PWM. Your synth gives you many options to cross modulate the oscillators, make use of audio feedback loops and provides two resonant filters. The synth engine of the AK/A4 is one of the most versatile analog synths I know.

The factory sounds are okay, but if you want ā€œyour signatureā€ sound, you have to do it yourself - it’s a synth after all :wink:

There’s also a thread for sound packs on the forum, something like ā€œdefinitive list of sound packsā€ I think. Lotsa stuff there. I particularly like Drum Enthusiast.
Just C6 it and Bob’s your uncle :wink:

(There’s also a thread with good tips for organising while transferring your patches and how succeed at bask transfer, something like ā€œsaving sound packsā€)

AK is a synthetiser.
OT is a sampler.

The sound produced by a synthesizer is made by oscillators which produce electrical fluctuations.
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[li]The faster the oscillator fluctuates the higher the pitch of the sound.
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[li]The output of an oscillator is called a waveform, and the more intricate the shape of the waveform the more harmonics will be present in the sound you hear.
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[li]The sound produced by the oscillators is static with no change in tone or harmonic content.
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[li]To produce these changes requires sound modifiers such as filters, envelope generators and amplifiers.

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Samplers work in a very different way, by digitally recording actual sounds.
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[li]These sounds retain their harmonic variations, such as becoming fuller and louder or softer and quieter.
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[li]With a sampler you are not limited to the waveforms made available in a synthesizer by the manufacturer, but can record any sound and play it back in a realistic manner.
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[li]Once you have recorded a sound in a sampler you can transpose it, speed it up or slow it down, play it in either direction, or make it play in a continuous loop.
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[li]The sound can be processed using similar electronic gadgets as those found in a synthesizer.
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i know both machines are different. iv downloaded loads off patches for keys
but to me there crap. iv been playing around with sounds tweaking them still crap.

then why did you buy it? you didn’t research it enough to know that it can’t play WAVs - pretty basic info there…but you still bought it.

Why?

then why did you buy it? you didn’t research it enough to know that it can’t play WAVs - pretty basic info there…but you still bought it.

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Oh man, its like saying I want to upload my .wav to a 303, or a 909… Or what, wait… They follow the same rules of synthesis? Never woulda figured… =)
If it sounds like crap its probably how your processing it, or maybe need to read a few books on synthesis… Or music gear in general.

Don’t mean to be a post to bash you 303909… Just need to educate yourself a little further. Its definitely not a cheap buy and anything you purchase you should investigate if it meets your needs first. Why didnt you go for an Octa, MNM or MD/UW?

Edit: I noticed your posts in MD and Octa forums, why not use the Octa for your Wavs?

i know the keys only work buy syx but didnt know there full off crap sounds may suit others but not me i dint even like one sound on and iv got about 500.its seems nice to use but dose sounds are rubbish to me cant seems to turn them into anything good. iv no problem with my MD or OT love them. i pick it because i like elektron and seem good and also link them all together is good.its just not doing it for meive 3 weeks left so i can return it if not happy so not too bad .ill give it one more week learn more cant see it working out.

The A4 is an analog synth, and a pretty fully-featured one at that. If you can’t make good sounds on it don’t blame the tools.

That’s impressive … the year is 2016 … we have the internet … we have google … we have YouTube … and no opportunity to check out the sound and baselines of a synth before buying … and ranting like this about crap?

If you don’t like to twiddle the knobs of a synth, it’s absolutely okay. But it’s like you are sitting in a car, having no idea how to start the engine, and wondering, why it’s not moving.

I guess that this is a troll thread :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

i do know how to use it. im not blaming the tools its good synth but the sound on it are crap to me. iv also watched the videos on youtube to learn.

That’s an excellent starting point … ask, learn and make it your own.

BTW from my experience I can tell that many factory patches are either made to demonstrate how magnificent a synth can sound in solo mode, or done poorly. In both cases the patches often are not suited to be used directly out of the box. I have seen some poor demonstrations of first class synths too.

At the end of the day, you have either to rely on yourself or to be lucky and find someone, who can make the patches you demand.

But if an instrument does and can not sound as you need it, sell it :wink:

It’s quite legitimate to be underwhelmed by the onboard sounds, and even some of the free packs. I only got tickled by a few of the factory ones, but I almost never use other people’s sounds. The drums that daren did are an exception, they’re more like models of classics and a bit more utilitarian.
It’s frankly mind-boggling to me to find someone drawn to Elektron who would not appreciate there was no conduit from a wave recording to a patch on the device. I say that because it’s the archetypal synthesis to tweak, you have to be wired a certain way to be drawn to it in my opinion. The value for money is in the depth and user customisability and obviously the sequencer too.
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I’d suggest it may be less alienating if you refrain from ā€˜crap’ as a description and focus more on solutions, which may be the epiphany that it’s not the right kit for you. Maybe tackle your disappointment by conveying what you want from it and see if anyone is up for guiding you. It’s just a slightly odd way to approach it to me as I have zero interest in presets and I explore the potential - that’s where all the fun is - if it doesn’t sound to your liking. learning the techniques will be the way forward - it’s an extremely flexible architecture and there will be few bases that it can’t have a decent go at - but it won’t accurately mimic every other synth that existed

It might just be that the Keys is not going to work for you. You obviously have an idea of the kinds of sounds you want to use, and it just isn’t getting there. Have you considered returning it and trying an Access Virus?

That’s an excellent starting point … ask, learn and make it your own.

BTW from my experience I can tell that many factory patches are either made to demonstrate how magnificent a synth can sound in solo mode, or done poorly. In both cases the patches often are not suited to be used directly out of the box. I have seen some poor demonstrations of first class synths too.

At the end of the day, you have either to rely on yourself or to be lucky and find someone, who can make the patches you demand.

But if an instrument does and can not sound as you need it, sell it ;)[/quote]
your right now i watch a guy with a moog sub 37 tribute edition he went true 4 presets 2 off them i really liked. when people say i wrong about the sounds they dont think about the sounds i want i love techno but in some countries it dance music to me they think its techno but far from it so they think the sounds are good etc.

It might just be that the Keys is not going to work for you. You obviously have an idea of the kinds of sounds you want to use, and it just isn’t getting there. Have you considered returning it and trying an Access Virus?[/quote]
it was recommended when i asked a guy online store or yamaha moxf6. id rather machine but if it comes to it i say VST might be best choice. at least with the techno sounds i all ready have i can tweak them even more. is it alot more time learning with all dose VST u get with it?

Everyone’s description of techno is different.
Can you post some soundcloud or youtube links with specific sounds that you are looking for?

Every synth will require more time to learn because they all have unique attributes. But fortunately, knowledge and learning are good things.