Pad Velocity Sensitivity

xidnpnlss · 2014-09-16T19:26:01.000Z

I don’t know. I don’t think the pads were made with finger drummers in mind. Elektron is, after all, techno oriented. I think it was designed more for performance mode pressure, which is very good.

But, yeah, the velocity for single hits is absolutely wretched. I hope they do fix it.

xidnpnlss · 2014-09-16T19:26:43.000Z

""v00d00ppl"":

The pads feel similar to ableton push drum pads. Eventually my push drum pads broke in and are as expressive as the fat pads on my MPC 60. Just keep playing the pads and see if they settle in well enough. On the weekend I will try to map out the MPC 60 or mpd24 to control the RYTM and let everyone know how much more expressive it is.

Did you ever do this?

stutech · 2014-09-18T11:41:05.000Z

A solution for this exists already, but it’s a bit time consuming to implement.

First, disable the “velocity to volume” setting for all pads. Next, go to the velocity modulation matrix, and set the desired amount of volume modulation.

Not only does this enable finetuning the velocity response, but you can make the velocity modulate just about any parameter in a sound! The possibilities are quite vast tbh

mokomo · 2014-09-18T11:59:27.000Z

""tsutek"":

A solution for this exists already, but it’s a bit time consuming to implement.

First, disable the “velocity to volume” setting for all pads. Next, go to the velocity modulation matrix, and set the desired amount of volume modulation.

Not only does this enable finetuning the velocity response, but you can make the velocity modulate just about any parameter in a sound! The possibilities are quite vast tbh

Nice tip. Still it is quite difficult to accurately achieve more than 4 distinct tap pressures with your fingers, looking at the vel dial on the LCD when on the matric page.
very lightly tapping, below the point of triggering the pad, does seem to cause a subtle flicker in the bulb under the pad so hopefully elektron are technically capable of lowering the threshold sensitivity. I’d like a 001 /127 velocity value to be detected by just a very light touch of the pad. Currently the requirement for 127/127 velocity is fine - it could even require a harder strike. It is the lower 001/127 value that takes too much of a strike.
Or maybe i need to train my fingers better & give the pads a good beating. I must try a midi-in external pad to see if variation is easier.

stutech · 2014-09-18T13:09:04.000Z

Well FWIW I use external pads, not the internal ones, although the pads on the AR seem to get a bit better over time…

xidnpnlss · 2014-09-18T13:14:23.000Z

""tsutek"":

Well FWIW I use external pads, not the internal ones, although the pads on the AR seem to get a bit better over time…

Awesome tip. I am going to look into that thoroughly.
What pads do you use? Do you have them straight into the AR or run through something?

stutech · 2014-09-18T13:18:03.000Z

That’d be the stock pads on an MPC1000, which I also use to sequence the AR…

ndstudio · 2015-12-29T17:12:27.000Z

""tsutek"":

That’d be the stock pads on an MPC1000, which I also use to sequence the AR…

How do you have this setup, and how do you like it?
I have been thinking about using an MPC1000 to do the exact same thing. Because of the lack of midi sequencing and poor pads of the RYTM I would like to have those features housed on another device (if possible) and the MPC1000 seems to be what I’m after.
Also (random question) Do the two units have about the same width? Looking at the specs online the units are just about the same width however, in pictures these two units look to be pretty different in widths and are about a few inches off (from what I’m able to see online.) can you confirm this?

soyary · 2017-02-21T20:20:43.219Z

Being used to Tempest pads, the Rytm pads seem to be hit or miss when it comes to sensitivity. Seems like I need to hit them harder than my normal style. The sounds are great so far though. I’ve demoted the Tempest to a MIDI pad controller.

hotscience · 2017-02-21T20:18:29.750Z

Use 2 fingers and they’ll trigger more reliably. But yeah, not very good for finger drumming/playing.

hellcore · 2017-02-21T20:19:04.160Z

The pads are not great for much other than mutes/scenes/perf etc in my experience.

stutech · 2017-02-21T21:44:54.349Z

I’ve made my peace with the rytm pads fwiw. They also seem to have loosened abit during use.

trigs + pads together is where it’s at

hotscience · 2017-02-21T21:48:10.277Z

Same. I quantize everything anyway, so anything I do use the pads to live record is A-OK

skunk3 · 2019-10-17T09:55:29.000Z

I just finally got a used RYTM mk1 after wanting one for years. The machine is great and all (dunno if I like it as much as the MDUW yet) but the pads are definitely lackluster. Is there any option buried in the machine to fine tune sensitivity? It feels like I have to bang on my pads so hard to get them to trigger that it rattles my whole desk! Light taps don’t register at all.

JohnnyEgo · 2019-10-17T10:02:04.096Z

nope. but you can disable the velocity settings and try that.

or go external

skunk3 · 2019-10-17T10:23:23.384Z

Another weird thing that I’ve noticed is that the pads seem far more sensitive on every mode except the one that actually lets you play the pads! wtf?

Like if I press track + (pad) I barely have to touch the pad and it recognizes it, yet if I try to tap on the pad when laying down a beat it doesn’t register at all unless I hit it at a medium volume. Super weird.

xidnpnlss · 2019-10-17T10:35:02.415Z

RIGHT. That has always confused me. Performance mode responds wonderfully but finger drumming is schizo.

sezare56 · 2019-10-17T11:37:50.648Z

Another thing I don’t like is that when you hold a pad it cut the recorded sounds…
Using Aftertouch to modulate sounds is really interesting, but risky in Live for above reason (you can trigger the sounds accidentally, and cut recorded stuff). Aftertouch requires a little velocity to start.
Not well implemented.

JLidebo · 2020-09-13T15:03:54.641Z

Hey guys. There has been a year since the last post. I was about to order the Rytm Mk2 when I stumble across this sensitivity “issue”.

Did Elektron solve it with an update?

Thanks

DanJamesAUS · 2020-09-13T15:41:07.547Z

I don’t know about other people but My mk2 pads have great sensitivity can dial in the velocity I want without pressing hard… maybe just mk1 issues ?