'P1 dub aborted' error

Open_Mike · 2017-05-08T17:01:59.644Z

I’d say feature request: have lfo page default to something other than pitch when using pickups, but it’s probably too late for that…

Gaia.Tree · 2018-03-19T00:29:55.852Z

Now I start running into this dub aborted shit all the time. Not the biggest killer for my beatbox looping workflow but surely annoying. Maybe Elektron could help us loopers out in a future update. Gathering my info’s on this but guessing my habit of pitch changing on my loops is the culprit for most of my aborted messages

sezare56 · 2018-03-19T00:40:16.613Z

Gaia.Tree:

Now I start running into this dub aborted shit all the time.

Even with OT only?
OT master ?

Edit : yes, avoid pitch with Pickups overdub.
You can use pitch with Flex machines, playing Pickups recordings.

sjvl · 2021-05-05T18:10:44.961Z

Ok following up on the experiences here: i was getting p1 dub aborted in a “save as new” project.

I still had the error even with no scenes on pitch or LFO’s.

I changed all three lfo destinations from ptch to something else not pitch related…all good.

Supercolor_T-120 · 2021-05-06T00:24:52.433Z

I have literally never gotten pickup machines to work reliably with external clock from anything, no matter how stable. But I’ve also never had this error happen wuth the OT as master in over 3 years

mpiecora · 2022-02-26T20:35:36.017Z

If you have MIDI clock receive and TRANSPORT receive turned on you will have the ABORT error.

Supercolor_T-120 · 2022-02-26T22:42:20.428Z

Transport recievedoesn’t cause any issues for me, I’ve been suing external transport control with pickup machines for years and never had a problem. External clock never works.

JWA · 2022-03-22T21:49:57.351Z

This was driving me nuts. Tried everything, midi clock, LFO pitches etc then just before giving up exasperated, spotted the slider was very slightly not against the stop at A. Found I’d set up a B scene for +1 tone, as soon as I pushed the slider fully towards A, everything worked fine, no dub abort messages.

mpiecora · 2022-04-01T17:28:05.608Z

I guess the transport part shouldn’t matter anyway, ha. Definitely does not work with external clock - sadly that kills it’s usefulness for most of my ambitions.

Cozyvandal · 2022-12-21T17:07:33.421Z

Just to add here as it is perhaps not explicitly clear from comments on this thread: changing the project/pattern tempo after recording to a pickup machine will give the ‘dub aborted’ message. Once that pickup machine audio is erased it will dub again (at the new tempo). Kind of a shame.

bgEN · 2023-02-04T15:34:53.993Z

spotted the slider was very slightly not against the stop at A.

Holy crow, sanity saved. Read your comment, walked over to Octa, sure enough, this was exactly my problem too.

JoyrexJ9 · 2024-10-27T16:26:16.854Z

'wise fwom your gwave etc

After seven years of OT ownership I thought I’d give pickup machines a try…
I’ve got the OT as a sort of sub mixer for four mono synths, and using the DT2 as the main brain; it’s the master clock + transport and sequencing these synths via MIDI

I thought it might be nice to capture 4 bar phrases and layer them into things, “hey maybe I should finally try pickup machines”
But I’m hitting the same dub aborted error

Is this all due to the OT being the slave for clock?

Are pickup machines even the right job for this? Being as everything is MIDI synced and I want loopable 64 step recordings, should I just stick to regular recording buffers, rec trigs, and flex machines for this?

error.eyes · 2024-10-28T06:46:10.553Z

Seems like it. If things are sync, then I’m guessing midi timing jitter is fucking things up.

protrusion · 2024-10-28T15:27:58.905Z

JoyrexJ9:

But I’m hitting the same dub aborted error

One thing I never understood (I’m sure someone else figured it out) was how that feature where “the OT would automatically change the tempo of one pickup machine based on the length of a newly-recorded one on another track” – whether that would also potentially bring the ‘P1 dub aborted’ message later…

JoyrexJ9 · 2024-10-28T15:59:39.368Z

I think I’m giving up on pickup machines as I can achieve what I need with regular recorders.

I’ve got a one shot recording trig at the start of the pattern (I mean where else!?) and I’ve disabled the “automatic arm on stop” option in the personalization (this was catching me out and I was accidently recording over my loops)

So when I want to capture a loop, I arm the recorder (len of 64) with track+yes and… that’s it! I’m not worrying about weird ONE2 mode or overdubbing

sezare56 · 2024-10-28T16:08:19.155Z

JoyrexJ9:

Are pickup machines even the right job for this? Being as everything is MIDI synced and I want loopable 64 step recordings, should I just stick to regular recording buffers, rec trigs, and flex machines for this?

Recorders and Flex can do the job. Do you need overdub ?
Also possible.

Aborted Dub can happen randomly with OT master. Overdub being Pickups main advantage for seemless loops, bummer.

protrusion:

OT would automatically change the tempo of one pickup machine

Rec Length have to be defined to be sure to avoid tempo change. If you record 3, 5, 6 bars for instance, it changes tempo.

sezare56 · 2024-10-28T16:14:17.847Z

JoyrexJ9:

giving up on pickup machines

PU ABORTED…

JoyrexJ9:

I arm the recorder

I prefer Track + Rec 1/2/3 with QREC=PLEN because ARM ALL, ARM REC, ARM depends on the mode you are in (Gric Rec, Rec Setup).

JoyrexJ9 · 2024-10-28T17:10:50.844Z

sezare56:

I prefer Track + Rec 1/2/3 with QREC=PLEN because ARM ALL, ARM REC, ARM depends on the mode you are in (Gric Rec, Rec Setup).

Fair, but essentially variations on the same idea I think.

It’s funny I’ve had a few attempts at this over the years, and I also think it’s probably pretty common way that people use the OT, certainly for live use.

It opens up some amazing sound options, when mixing in the original source with the fader, e.g. pitching up/down the play back (free chords!), or offsetting the playback trig by 4 or 8 steps for a sort of delay/cascading sound.

After all these years I’m still finding new reasons to love the OT

sezare56 · 2024-10-28T17:21:47.514Z

JoyrexJ9:

Fair, but essentially variations on the same idea I think.

The idea is quantized recording.
Track+Rec 1/2/3 works in any menu.

JoyrexJ9:

It opens up some amazing sound options

Definitely. Try resampling with 2 recorders ! Pitch slides…

Destructive looping with Octatrack - #41 by sezare56

Supercolor_T-120 · 2024-11-07T13:19:09.201Z

IME this is definitely the case - the OT is very sensitive to external clock jitter, to the point that external clock isn’t useable at all with pickup machines. I’ve tested it with a high accuracy, dedicated clock source and a few hardware sequencers that are at least as stable as clock sent FROM the OT and it didn’t help, it seems to be inherent to the low resolution of the MIDI protocol itself.

The methods with conventional flex machines that people are describing are a better choice if they fit your workflow needs (I use both depending on what I’m doing), but with those if you turn off time stretch while using external clock you’ll hear pops and clicks at the loop point that aren’t there when you use the OT’s internal clock - the OT is responding to jitter in real time and it’s just enough to keep audio from looping smoothly without time stretch (the same thing can happen with slices).

I suspect that most dedicated loopers have some amount of averaging going on with external clock to avoid this, at the expense of sync not being quite as tight.

At any rate it seems to be one of those Octatrack things that you just ahve to kind of work with. Unfortunate but not enough to outweigh all the things the OT does well, and I still use at least one PUM in almost every project that’s meant for live performance.