Precisely.
This is the first time I’ve acutally had to not buy something I wanted over a matter of principle .
Can’t say I like it- but if I actually BOUGHT the DN then I’d really be playing on my lack of self-respect
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I’ve been really keen on having a baby sized Elektron setup as an alternative to my 4 OG boxes, I’ll sit and wait until I deem it worth it, whether that is because everything gets fixed and made stable or that they hit the 2nd hand market low enough.
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I think that s the only good thing we can do to show our unhappiness. Hard to me to understand people of the forum ordering DN . Thats supporting the way they take.
By the way i was generally bashed when i say the same thing when DN appeared.
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Cant wait for all the “i can’t believe it’s not an insert effect” threads once OB’s out lol
The Push and Maschine only have 8 knobs so you’d have to be doing a lot of paging around to get to all the stuff you want to tweak. Plus, the Elektron boxes can be used standalone to get musical ideas or even complete tracks laid down. I use the DAW as a mixer & multitrack recorder and multi fx machine for hardware… and more complicated MIDI sequencing/arranging tasks that are unavailable in hardware sequencers. It’s just cheaper and more compact than using a digital mixer and multiple FX boxes and a Cirklon… which is probably want I want to do when I can afford it.
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I was thinking this. Everyone is so crazy about overbridge but it doesn’t stop anyone buying as soon as elektron announce the next shiny thing, which entirely supports this way of business. Ive seen a lot people saying “I will never buy from elektron again!” Which is complete and utter bullshit as soon as something gets released. It doesn’t work if people don’t follow through, elektron don’t give a funk what people are threatening in the forums, they work by numbers, sales figures talk. Vote with your wallet
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Id like to see “when we can be arsed” under the plug just for giggles.
Another few months and yall be rocking it …just hold on.
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I know they promised the overbrige, but I think when it comes out it will not cover all the expectations. I prefer to record direct audio track by track without OB. but if it is necessary to make a backup or at least when you connect the DT to your computer it is shown as an external unit and can make a backup of the internal card as in the OT
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wow this thread lol
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This, a thousand times.
I am the servant-leader of a small, specialised software and services business in a cut-throat sector of IT - where the margins get thinner each year - and my customers are generally big and conservative (with regard to software version currency policies, at least). However, my guys release public updates / patches / fixes at least quarterly and I educate the customer as to the legitimacy and benefits of short release cycles.
The initial conversations with customers are sometimes long and tough but they all eventually embrace it or at least accept it.
Conversely, OB users are begging for updates (however small) and, in general, electronic instrument users are rarely unhappy to see new firmware announcements. Elektron don’t have an uphill battle to convince their market of the benefits of regular, incremental releases. I can only dream of having that default desire for change among my customers.
So, that Elektron haven’t taken this approach with OB releases hints that, currently, either they can’t do this (e.g. due to something about the design of OB itself or issues with their software development processes / tooling…) or won’t do this (e.g. due to conflicting goals between marketing and development, old-school perspectives on release management, sunk cost fallacy…).
Of course, those possible reasons are pure speculation and, admittedly, somewhat hyperbolic to illustrate my point. I will acknowledge (and respect) right here that setting up and maintainkng the kind of automated regression testing capability that OB changes are likely to demand would be daunting for even very experienced operators. Given the network of software and hardware components involved, the complexities probably scale near-exponentially and constantly risk “spooky action at a distance” outcomes with every change.
However, I echo Hans_Olo’s sentiment of professional curiosity about what’s at the heart of their painful situation with Overbridge, given how much incredible talent Elektron appears to have. I hope it’s merely a temporary symptom of growth rather than something deeply systemic.
I do not expect - or feel entitled to - an explanation (not in public, anyway). However, as a fellow wrangler of 1s and 0s, I do sincerely wish the Elektron crew both luck and insight.
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They don’t have much talent in the way of making software for computers… like pretty much all music hardware companies. The OB UI is very nice but inside things are a bit of a mess. Elektron’s talents are elsewhere…
Sure the toolchain’s going to be different given the different architectures they’re targeting (SOC / embedded vs the full PC enchilada) but I’m not immediately seeing how that would primarily drive the issue of slipped OB delivery.
I’m also genuinely curious as to the basis of your assertion about the quality of the OB codebase. Did you work on the dev team at some point, know one of the devs or have you performed some other analysis that suggests it’s not pretty inside? No snark intended but it’s a pretty contentious comment that begs for some concrete justification.
Sorry, I just meant that OB was buggy when I tried it a couple of months ago. I couldn’t trust that it wouldn’t mess up my stuff in the AR so I stopped using it. Others have reported on the same bugs I encountered ( audio glitches and total recall buggery).
What do you know about software development, or the individuals who work at Elektron that makes you feel entitled to this opinion?
Some people have no talent for posting.
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sorry what I meant was that I didn’t really like it
I meant that it is not a good piece of software in its current form, apart from the nice GUI. It is buggy.
Looks exactly like you meant, the staff working on elektron software, “dont have much talent.”
Seriously, it’s post like this that get you flagged,and people like me responding to it it a negative way, get flagged
“Overbridge is buggy?” Who are you Sherlock Holmes?
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Elektron was recently looking to hire a software developer… so maybe there was a lack of something. And OB for the mk2 and mk1s has actually been available for a while now and I’m not the only one to have found it buggy, so I’m not sure what the Sherlock Holmes reference is about.
I’m out of this conversation now, its pointless.