Overbridge in May but WHEN?

nirun · 2015-04-29T12:37:03.000Z

""AdamJay"":

[quote=“nirun”][quote=“LFO7”]Virus TI is not an analog synth, it’s virtual analog, in other words it’s digital. Just like the Roland TR8, no magic going from all digital through usb to daw… been there done that.

A4 is ANALOG. There is no ANALOG SYTNH CURRENTLY on the market that can record via usb and DAW intergration such as with Overbridge and A4, if there is, please let me know.

you do realize, the analog four is a bit of a hybrid in the sense that it uses DCOs instead of pure analog VCOs so there’s still quite a bit of digital processing going on =)[/quote]
People still trying the failed DCOs are digital argument in 2015?
“Bit of a hybrid”.
No.

Define “processing”.
The signal path is 100% analog. There is a difference between control (being pre-oscillator) and processing (being post-oscillator). The clock of the analog oscillators is being controlled digitally. The actual sound that is generated, from waveform through analog outputs is 100% analog.

And considering the alternative often comes without patch recall, and comes with a host of tuning headaches, and sure as hell wouldn’t have sound locks… I’m relieved that the so called “bit of a hybrid” has DCOs.[/quote]

i agree with all the benefits you mention of DCOs, just saying the so called digital part still has a lot to do with the sound capabilities of the A4.

I simply meant that the digital side of the A4 influences the way it sounds by providing more extreme modulation capabilities, not in the sense that it sounds harsh or digital or anything like that.

I won’t pretend to be an expert on the synth architecture of the A4 but this thread has some very interesting information on why you should see the A4 as a very nice marriage between the benefits of digital and the awesome sound of analog leading to my “bit of a hybrid” statement

A4 teardown (and infrared pics) Analog Keys/Four

Today, for your entertainment, the Elektron Analog Four will shamelessly expose itself. Or rather, I took it apart and snapped naughty, naughty photos, even some thermal pics for good measure. So anyway, I recently had to take my Access Virus TI keyboard apart for troubleshooting, and in the process I took some tasty thermal images which you can find over at The Virus TI Forums. The bottom line was that the Virus TI was mostly a clean build, with few bodge wires i.e. they had to manually fix s…

Ess · 2015-04-29T12:44:29.000Z

Just because it’s an integrated circuit doesn’t mean that it’s digital.
While the “core” sound is analog by all means, the digital control does push it in directions that your typical analog synth does not go.

nirun · 2015-04-29T12:53:13.000Z

""Simon"":

Just because it’s an integrated circuit doesn’t mean that it’s digital.
While the “core” sound is analog by all means, the digital control does push it in directions that your typical analog synth does not go.

tell the elektron gods to make us an 8 voice version

Diayse · 2015-04-29T13:48:56.000Z

""KOTARE"":

[quote=“Diayse”]Apparently, audio streams from the device to the USB will be mono. Don’t expect to use panning automation/placement on your Rytm and to hear it in Overbridge.

Just as it is with the individual outputs.

Even if this was the case, you could load an automation track per instrument and have the pan information sent from AR MIDI to control the OB ITB track.

Solved.[/quote]
Very true, thanks.

I don’t know how latency will be handled between what goes to OB and what is sent from the device to OB via MIDI, there might be timing differences…

We will see when Overbridge is there!

KOTARE · 2015-04-29T13:53:17.000Z

The CC/panning information will be sent via the USB also.

LFO7 · 2015-04-29T17:21:16.000Z

oh yeah, you are right about the FX, forgot about that, but no big deal everything else is more important also forgot to mention sample organization for RYTM will be worth it alone, that’s another big one for me.

em-mohv · 2015-04-29T21:30:12.000Z

""LFO7"":

Virus TI is not an analog synth, it’s virtual analog, in other words it’s digital. Just like the Roland TR8, no magic going from all digital through usb to daw… been there done that.

A4 is ANALOG. There is no ANALOG SYTNH CURRENTLY on the market that can record via usb and DAW intergration such as with Overbridge and A4, if there is, please let me know.

Alright, so now the focus of your question has shifted (inevitably, as stuff like this always seems to go) towards analog. If your point is that the RYTM being superior because it’s analog, do we know for sure how this audio-over-USB feature is going to impact the overall sound?. Honestly, I don’t even think any of that matters so long as you make something interesting with what you have.

I also thought that the RYTM’s audio input feature was awesome, pretty sure anyone on the forum who has used it can vouch for how useless it is lol. Not saying Overbridge is going to be in the same vein, but I’ll believe the hype once I use it first hand. Keeping my fingers crossed either way.

djadonis206 · 2015-04-29T21:54:53.000Z

""em-mohv"":

I also thought that the RYTM’s audio input feature was awesome, pretty sure anyone on the forum who has used it can vouch for how useless it is lol. Not saying Overbridge is going to be in the same vein, but I’ll believe the hype once I use it first hand. Keeping my fingers crossed either way.

Sorry, can’t vouch for that statement. I run my A4 into the OT and out of the OT’s CUE outs into the Rytm. I also run several other OT tracks out of the CUE into the Rytm.

This way I can process, glue if you will, everything together and it sounds frickin’ awesome.

I can see the inputs being an issue if you have no way to boost the signal beforehand; however, the OT has plenty of sound boosting features.

Other people use small mixers to boost signals.

Elektronot · 2015-04-29T22:04:13.000Z

shouldn’t need a computer to manage samples on the Rytm. Especially with Elektron hawking sound packs.

LFO7 · 2015-04-29T22:23:33.000Z

You don’t need a computer at all really to manage your samples on the RYTM, I am doing well without it BUT the computer is more expansive in it’s scope of what it will be able to do in organizing files in ways that the interface on any synth may not be able to do.

LFO7 · 2015-04-29T22:25:53.000Z

I never once used the word superior, digital vs analog is subjective both have their merits BUT as I said Elektron will be the only company with analog synths working with a computer with the kind of detailed integration only digital synths have had.

As I said I forgot to add the word analog in my original statement but I thought that was a given, as there are plenty of digital synths that record over a usb and nothing else.

AdamJay · 2015-04-29T22:29:32.000Z

Regarding Rytm sample management, I do sample chains, and that requires a computer. Not complaining. I have 4,000+ sample hits & waveforms in my current project and about to add 240 more tonight.

All this talk about pan automation and using the external inputs for additional A/D inputs to DAWs, and recording FX on their own track… and, I just looked up and we’re less than two days from May…

and then…

\m/

Elektronot · 2015-04-29T23:21:16.000Z

yup looks like they used Overbridge for the Junkyard demo.

mook · 2015-04-30T10:59:38.000Z

""Simon"":

[quote=“mook”]yaa obviously elektron head office crew jus sit round all day flicking through ikea catalogues and listenin to ABBA

… Actually, you are 110% correct.[/quote]
…hehe,with that kind of multi-tasking my respect is even greater!

em-mohv · 2015-04-30T19:21:26.000Z

[quote="“djadonis206"”]

em-mohv:

I also thought that the RYTM’s audio input feature was awesome, pretty sure anyone on the forum who has used it can vouch for how useless it is lol. Not saying Overbridge is going to be in the same vein, but I’ll believe the hype once I use it first hand. Keeping my fingers crossed either way.

Sorry, can’t vouch for that statement. I run my A4 into the OT and out of the OT’s CUE outs into the Rytm. I also run several other OT tracks out of the CUE into the Rytm.

This way I can process, glue if you will, everything together and it sounds frickin’ awesome.

I can see the inputs being an issue if you have no way to boost the signal beforehand; however, the OT has plenty of sound boosting features.

Other people use small mixers to boost signals.[/quote]

Right on, but for those of us who don’t have that particular configuration it’s still unbelievably quiet. I own other gear which has a price bracket below the RYTM and even their audio inputs are better in this regard. It’s not exactly a deal breaker for me but it does make me go “c’mon, really?” considering it’s a $1400 drum machine.

em-mohv · 2015-04-30T19:23:38.000Z

""LFO7"":

You don’t need a computer at all really to manage your samples on the RYTM, I am doing well without it BUT the computer is more expansive in it’s scope of what it will be able to do in organizing files in ways that the interface on any synth may not be able to do.

That is one thing I’m really looking forward to. I think the sample management aspect alone might be a winner for those who find C6 and the internal organizing of the RYTM to be a bit wonky.

subbz2k · 2015-05-05T17:24:06.000Z

So, it’s May the 5th and i’m getting more and more excited …

For me the biggest thing with OB in the first place will be: What does the Rytm’s Interface look like and how can i control the Rytm with the Plugin. Im not sure if there already are some leaked Pics around (like they were with the A4’s Plugin Months before Messe) but i guess i dont even wanna know it

Messe itself revealed some interesting new Plugins and among them is this guy from Softube (who generally make really good plugins i think):

Yeah, i know - its just a Plugin its not the Rytm, it isnt analog and stuff like that … but - if you see such Plugins evolving and listen to their sound it somehow makes me excited what Elektron gives us to control the Rytm in a “DAW-Way” Because if this evolution continues Software Plugins will give you all you need when you work on a computer. This makes techonology like Overbridge somewhat redundant if you take just the simple aspect of sound into account.

Still you cant directly compare the worlds of digital and analog (a Plugin alone obviously doesnt have the performance aspects of a real hardware) but one has to admit that the lines are blurred these days. And comparison to dedicated Plugins may not be that far-fetched if you consider that you can get your “hardware” to control the software easily from a lot of companies already.

William_WiLD · 2015-05-05T17:50:08.000Z

It’s funny how people is “virulent” on the Overbridge Subject… Musicians makes music since decades without Overbridge ! People buy Electron hardware but Overbridge is not included in the buying package description.

There’s no obligation honestly ! Machines are right in there current states and thanks to dataline (my bad you right) to remembering that. He’s right. Updates coming regularly, innovative ideas is offered ! purely and simply ! But it’s hard work and process and it’s FREE. No doubt it’s telling us that : when you buy electron stuff you bet on a horse for the long term !

And honestly that’s not a simple thing. With 3 years warranty it’s a very comfortable and reassuring purchase.

I will definitely get me beaten up for their cock licking, but i assume my thanks to them for that.

subbz2k · 2015-05-05T18:37:45.000Z

[quote=““William WiLD””]
It’s funny how people is “virulent” on the Overbridge Subject… Musicians makes music since decades without Overbridge ! People buy Electron hardware but Overbridge is not included in the buying package description.

There’s no obligation honestly ! Machines are right in there current states and thanks to dataline (my bad you right) to remembering that. He’s right. Updates coming regularly, innovative ideas is offered ! purely and simply ! But it’s hard work and process and it’s FREE. No doubt it’s telling us that : when you buy electron stuff you bet on a horse for the long term !

And honestly that’s not a simple thing. With 3 years warranty it’s a very comfortable and reassuring purchase.

I will definitely get me beaten up for their cock licking, but i assume my thanks to them for that.
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This was a general response to the thread itself, right? Because i actually wrote something completely different

I find it quite exciting that they focus on giving us this huge big update, but i ask myself: Do we really need this - long term? I mean: I bought Elektron Machines for their usability as hardware, their flexibility and obviously their sound. When we now move into the DAW World we have completely different “beasts” to deal with. And apart from the Sound i dont really see how the integration will benefit compared to what we already have as software plugins - and compared to what is coming for a fraction of the price the Hardware costs. It will - most likely - just be the fact of grabbing individual outputs from the machines and a (hopefully) tight sync. Nice things to have, for sure - but optional in my opinion.

I complained - long ago already - about the lost focus on hardware features (like new machines for the Rytm for example) thanks to Overbridge. In my opinion this will surely give us a new way of working with our machines and integrating them but it should always be optional! What matters most is what the hardware is capable of and can give us because in the end we bought the machines for the reason of having the machine In the software world there is a lot of competition and we’ve seen this with the Virus TI already: Hyped in the first place now practically only used by it’s Fanbase and people that still have one. But no one really buys this thing anymore, the Synth is basically dead. With technology moving forward Overbridge is nice but should always be optional: Elektron must concentrate on the machines themselve. Because this is what matters - in my opinion at least.

AdamJay · 2015-05-05T19:14:53.000Z

[quote=““William WiLD””]
Machines are right in there current states
[/quote]

Not to be contrary, but I’m sure the numerous users who rub up against the “Step Jump Bug” daily would disagree. In fact, they may very well be the other faction of users; those who wish Overbridge development would wait while critical bug fixes take precedence.

With 3 years warranty it’s a very comfortable and reassuring purchase.

This I can agree with 100%.