Got it. I’ll keep messing about - thanks!
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Hi,
Not expecting a solution or answer here, but just wanted to let any future readers know I’m guessing the issue is software related (either with Ableton 10 or Overbridge).
In short, no amount of latency compensation or fiddling with buffers fixes the issue, because the amount of latency varies from moment to moment. For example even with all of Ableton’s delay compensation off I can get a pretty decent line up. At least enough where I can jam and manually drag things in to place later (note: Model D is running through Overbridge/Digitakt Input, Virus through my Behringer Audio interface):
However, I pressed stopped on Digitakt, goofed around with effects and patterns for a minute, then tried recording again. Now it’s way off:
Literally haven’t changed any latency settings. I then restarted Ableton, it went back to normal, and eventually fell off again. It has since been going in and out. If anyone knows what could be causing this I would forever be indebted, but for now I’m stumped : /
So the digitakt is good just the other non overbridge synths are out?..
Don’t think it’s overbridge… the problem is overbridge is better than regular midi soundcard way.
I’ve got Rytm,A4,digitone and digitakt running with overbridge and it’s bang on every time… I’m taking clock from those 4 so it’s all the same overbridge clock for my other gear and it’s working
are you sending midi from ableton? Ableton doesn’t compensate for midi going out to other synths.
but overbridge does with elektron gear… Is everything getting clock from the digitakt?
could be computer related it’s not running low on space? not overheating etc…
got to be something to get it to work
Yeah, I’ve got Ableton as the master clock. If you open the Overbridge app you can set it to slave to Ableton - so if I change the BPM in Ableton it automatically changes in the Digitakt. I would think this wouldn’t cause an issue, though I could be wrong.
Computer is a 2015 Macbook Pro that’s running Ableton 10 nice and speedy. I do get the occasional drop out/slow down if something crazy happens in the background, so maybe that throw things “off?”. I don’t know…thanks for sticking this out with me.
All good…
There is a video where Cenk explains overbridge is using its own custom sync technology
that is not normal midi and is designed by elektron for overbridge…
so if you have set in the digitakt plugin transport and clock you are using the overbridge custom sync it’s not the same as the clock in preferences in ableton… that is why you don’t need sync on in those preferences
so make sure you only use the digitakt to send midi out by using the midi out on the back of the digitakt to your other synths to keep it all the same source…
If you use USB clock from ableton to the model D and virus it could be different
and then you have audio latency as well to deal with From using different soundcard also.
This is how I do it anyhow and it’s working for me… I don’t have sync on at all in my ableton preferences … it’s all I can suggest, good luck
I have a similar issue with the Digitakt, Minilogue XD and logic Pro X.
I’m using ‘sync + transport’ in Overbridge and sending clock from the Digitakt to the Minilogue, recording the DT via USB and ML via audio interface. It kind of works but it drifts a lot, I’m always live-tweaking a “sample delay” in logic to nudge the synth around. After recording I line them up and it’s fine but it’s a less than wonderful jamming/recording experience.
I’m considering ditching OB from my workflow and sending clock to everything via a through box and recording both devices into my Clarett 8pre. Being forced to make mix decisions in the DT rather than endlessly DAW tweaking would be good for me!
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I’m using DT with a USB cable (clocked from OB) and my other Synths with MIDI cables from the DT. Everything is Synced perfectly.
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I’m jealous! What DAW are you using?
He must be using Ableton 16.8
I was suggesting a cabling method. After that, we can check sources of latencies, computer specs, …
Nevermind
I have a very similar problem here, i’m using the DT via OB and at the same time sequence the nord drum 3p from the DT via midi, audio from ND goes to a RME Fireface 800 ( known as a low latency sound card), but the audio from the nord drum is always about 30ms late which is a big value tbh. Audio buffer in ableton is set to 128.
Does anyone solved this problem meanwhile?
When starting up OB app Elektron does give us an explicit warning to not use OB and an audio interface in parallel. For good reason apparently.
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So does this mean your setup should be all OB or all audio interface? That seems a bit broken.
PS: has anyone tried running MODEL:CYCLES or MODEL:SAMPLES USB audio in tandem with Overbridge devices? I’m wondering if that has the same issue. Seriously considering buying a Digitone just so I can have all my synths in OB land. That or abandoning the Digitakt altogether and buying an Octatrack. Still haven’t had any luck with getting everything to consistently sync in Ableton.
It means all your audio inputs should be either OB or audio interface. You could still use audio interface outputs and OB together though.
NB: i haven t updated to the latest version if OB. It could have changed in the meantime.
Also, i havent been using OB except for a test to see if it works for my scenario. Perhaps more weathered OB users have more insights.
One possible solution for people:
I had a problem getting the audio coming back from RYTM via Overbridge to be in sync.
I use the Reaper DAW, with the Overbridge plugin sending MIDI to RYTM and receiving audio from RYTM on the same Overbridge plugin track, audio input which is then sent within the DAW as separated drum instrument tracks to 8 different audio tracks for recording. (this separated audio routing may differ between DAWs, it wasn’t obvious in Reaper but someone on this forum shared a Reaper session file that made it clear)
Overbridge is great for separating drum tracks to record in this way.
However I was having a problem that my audio coming back and being recorded was 30ms late and no amount of negative offset in MIDI note send of any different technique solved it.
What seemed to solve it for me was turning off the Analog RYTM as a USB MIDI input/output in Reaper MIDI settings. So as far as the DAW Reaper is concerned the only connection with the RYTM is through the Overbridge plugin on one track (sending MIDI and receiving audio / MIDI ).
This is actually what the Overbridge manual says, maybe this will help some people because it’s a little counter-intuitive but makes sense: You don’t want the DAW sending info to the Elektron device twice.
I still have audio running in and monitoring out of my main USB audio interface Steinberg UR44C, which I can set an offset if needed but this is a separate thing. I also have other USB MIDI devices running in and out syncing with the DAW clock, separate to Overbridge.
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It doesn’t really matter in what mode it is. There is a button in the Overbridge VST where you can choose the sync. In that, choose the “no sync” option. This will able you to sync all your gear through MIDI DIN instead from the DAW. I struggled with the sync for months and even bought an Expert Sleepers USAMO to solve the problem because my Elektron devices was drifting so much and nothing stayed in sync. But as soon as I turned of the sync in the VST everything started to work together. I use a 18 in 18 out soundcard and have two Elektron devices streaming to Ableton Through Overbridge and the CPU in Ableton is about 1-3%… which is about nothing. Even when I multitrack record
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Do you record via OB and the 18ch audio interface at the same time? Are the recorded OB and interface channels in tight sync?
Yes so if you send sync data via USB and MIDI at the same time things get confused. You have to use either USB sync or MIDI sync.
If you use MIDI DIN to sync then yes you need to disable the other two sync channels: OB VST sync and DAW USB midi sync.
If you use USB sync via OB VST then you also have to disable the USB MIDI connection directly from DAW to Elektron Hardware in DAW settings. Otherwise the DAW is sending sync data through OB VST and DAW USB midi which confuses the Elektron hardware unit. All sync and note data must only go through the OB VST (in and out) otherwise OB won’t be consistent.
If you use USB midi sync via DAW settings then turn off sync in OB VST.
So there are at least 3 ways to send sync data and if two are turned on they create drifting sync.
I also bought an Expert Sleepers USAMO to keep my Korg Prologue arpeggiator in sync. It does the job. The prologue sync is very fussy.
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