I don’t really have a problem with mini-jacks per se, but the cost of new cables does add up.
It’s also convenient if you are going from 3.5mm trs to same, as the cable is small and light (and probably less durable because of it).
The part I find genuinely annoying is that the 3.5mm TRS plug on an insert cable is basically the same bulk as a 1/4 inch trs plug. So you end up with a slightly smaller device with the same bulk hanging off it. I would rather just a slightly larger device, as I reckon it’s mostly the extra depth of the full size TRS that’s affected, because the side to side spacing could still be pretty similar.
I look at it more like sometimes, things are just not made for you and your individual needs, and that’s okay.
Something else will come along soon enough.
Adapters are not as expensive as some are suggesting (especially when the mixer is not the cheapest thing on the market).
The trick is to look for 3.5mm cables, and just buy 1/4" adapters. They make mono 3.5:1/4" adapters, they make mono summing adapters too, in addition to the ubiquitous 3.5mm to 1/4" TRS adapters. Even 3.5mm splitters are easily available. Seriously… these are not expensive.
For mono cables, I use the same eurorack patch cable that can be bought at all different lengths (and all different prices too).
It’s really not that bad if you have your heart set on getting this. Otherwise, someone will make something different and bigger… but then again, there really are tons of options for 1/4" inputs on mixers already.
I dont mind the minis because I already have them for the Bastl bestie. I have the 1/8 to 1/4 so it’s pretty easy stuff. I think the price of the device means it needs to sound pretty damn amazing. The Bestie is less featured, yes, but the sound is fantastic and it’s $200 new.
That said, stuff like this is crazy cool for DAWless live mixes. I just use the Bestie for it, i doesn’t have all the bells and whistles. Question will be if Bebe Cherie is worth it. OTO makes amazing gear though, so I am sure it will be good.
This for sure. Denis said he made it for mixing little desktop synths that had 3.5mm outputs. I think his reputation for making nice sounding boxes has people wanting to use it in more substantial setups.
What does this even mean? Professional consoles have a lot more I/O than just 1/4 jacks. By this logic a mixer can only be pro if it has XLR, D-Sub and 1/4 jack ins and outs.
1/8 jacks have nothing to do with professional / semi professional. It’s simply a different type of output and it is also not something new.
Buchla Music Easel optionally has them, Oberhein SEM from 1976 has them.
As @DaveMech said: it’s to make them smaller. This is a compact mixer purposefully designed to be small. There is no space in the box for 1/4 jacks.
To be fair when Bebe Cherie was first revealed it was clearly marketed at the volca/polyend tracker type of user hence the minijacks, however others have ran with it now and expect it to be fully fledged studio mixer.
…hmmmmmm…dunno, pretty sure this bebe will be a nice one…but nothing compares to the excitement i felt, when i saw the first bisquite clip, clipping so breathtaking, i could’nt believe my ears…
They still can, but with some compromises in using adapters.
I have the same problem if I want to use most mixers with smaller gear. I would need more space than the device itself, and for some equipment, I’d need to buy adapters. Does that make life tough?
With the smaller diameter cable you need for 3.5mm the shielding is not as good and the capacitance is higher than for the larger diameter cable you can use for 1/4". Fine for consumer stuff, but some studios go to great lengths to keep everything noise free. And there is definitely a difference sonically with one cable having 5x the capacitance of another, even for line level signals.
Ugh, now I am starting to sound like an audiophile who buys $1k power cords lol. I mean I doubt anyone is going to be using 3.5mm cables longer than a couple of feet. Just don’t bump them while youre jamming and break them off in your mixer I guess ;-P.
I’d be really curious to see a shot of the PCB design, interior of the device, once it’s released. The size of the box seems it should allow for 6.35mm, but surely there was a constraint forcing 3.5mm that made sense for OTO. I’d be surprised to learn if it was a preference
I pre-ordered, which I rarely do, but I have high confidence in OTO. I need more hands-on EQ and end of chain warming and I’m positive we’re going to get a really nice quality of saturation and light compression out of this box.
I’m still not sure what the Bliss knob is all about aside from its simple description in the manual. But I can’t wait to hear it.
