Well in the same sentence, here you hear mainly Kyma. The audio interface used on this system is unknown. Anyway, another impression how Kyma could be used. https://youtu.be/vJfEgGcUbeE
ps. this music kicks ass!!!
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See what youāve done there is youāve dismissed other peopleās points because they posted YouTube examples, which you apparently donāt use for serious listening. But youāve then gone on to post two examples from YouTube to make your own point.
Make your mind up.
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I adjust on what channels people are used to listen here, because it seems they donāt use Tidal or Qobuz to listen in ālossless audioā.
However, it is a pity that you do not give a well-founded opinion yourself.
I did give an opinion.
My opinion is that thereās nothing wrong with the OTās sound quality, as has been proven time and again in various threads. I posted a well produced live video of someone whoās very well respected both in musical and gear worldās using two OTās to great effect, which is pretty much what you asked for.
You dismissed it because it was on YouTube.
Hence my annoyance at you now posting YouTube clips to tell us how wonderful things are.
Whatever though, Iām done here.
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Actually I did listen to Stimming on Qobuz and from what I hear, itās a big āLoudness Contourā bubble ā¦
The way you are looking at this doesnāt make much sense to be honest.
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Yes itās like a washing machine with the same cycles over and over again.
Can one of the admins delete all my post in this treat please? So I can focus on things that I am related to.
It is just like the OT: itās in loop but the quality remains overdub after overdub 
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Under the Share button on the bottom of the page, there is a Tracking dropdown. Click the dropdown. Then you can change the option to Muted and you will not get anymore notifications for this thread.
Or you can just wait for an adminā¦ up to youā¦
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This thread has been quiet for too long, Iāll chime in:
God the OT SUCKS! My Yamaha PSS50 sounds better than the OT in EVERY way. Iād show you, but thereās only videos on YouTube and I mean who wants to watch gear comparisons on YouTube in 2021?! But honestly, loading a sample from my memory and singing it back sounds better than the OT - more clarity and āliftā in the highs, deeper bass and that je ne sais quoi that gives every sample a unique mojo that the OT just canāt offer.
Iād love to see someone do serious music with the OT. Of course, there are threads on here with thousands of user generated content with the OT, but come on Iām talking about SERIOUS music. We all know that none of us are SERIOUS on here. Just saying.
What else? Oh yes, my Lexicon PCM80 blows the Octatrackās Dark Reverb OUT OF THE WATER! The OTās FX SUCK! Iād take a Strymon Big Sky or an Eventide H3000 over the OT FX any given day. Iād make a filter manually by covering parts of my speakers up before Iād use the OTās filters - I mean, they are DIGITAL!
Also, Iād love an OT with 10ā touchscreen, 24 ins and outs and 32GB of memory so I can do some SERIOUS sampling with it, not just toy around with it.
If you guys wanna fanboy around the OT, ok keep keeping on, Iām out to tune my orchestra and my crickets to make some REAL music in pristine, high fidelity audio quality.
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I have two OTs and neither one can tell me when the next full moon is. The USB port wonāt even power my rope lights.
Total rip off. Iām such a rube.
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At least i learnt a word today.
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Well i have enjoyed this thread, stayed mostly up to speed with it.
I have appreciated @noiselab willingness to discuss his minority views when its like 50 against 1. I love that!
I dont l think its fair to expect that someones logic should remain perfect throughout a conversation/argument. It does not diminish for me the initial point. @noiselab hears ālower qualityā audio from the OT.
It seems to be well established in the pro audio circles that different AD-DA converters working at the same bit rate and sample rate sound different. Not a shock. So, noiselab, among other minority voices hear the same thing-the OT does not sound as good to them.
So they want to discuss it. Perfect. Theres a place for that. Theyre called internet forums. We are doing it!
He says āyuckā.
Response is ānot yuck why yuck?ā
āCompare āyuckā to āyumā, not even closeāā¦
āThats a yucky comparison, yum differentā
āYour ears yuckā
āYuck youā
āYuck you too you yuckerā
And so the story goesā¦
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@NoiseLab I agree with your assessment of the OT. I learned long ago, that people here get very defensive about it. Just move on. Itās not worth it. Different strokes.
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Iām just discussing against the thesis that the OT does lower the sound quality of a sample you put in when in neutral state (timestretch and fx off).
I fully agree that the timestretching, pitching and some/most of the effects are not what Iād call state of the art (still very usable)
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Oh yes, letās start all over again !!! 
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no letās close this thread and never talk about it again. Thatās what a forum is about 
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Donāt know, I think some people agree, some donāt. Itās just a discussion like Samvanian says 
I think people get a bit annoyed maybe when the arguments behind the statements donāt make a lot of sense, are inconsistent, or when someone ignores other peopleās views.
Hense my last post. (Which admittedly should have had an explanation, so my apologies for that). He says itās a big loudness contour bubble (?) on that ep by stimming, thereby saying that he can hear OTās (bad) quality through a fully mastered product. While
- We donāt know for sure if stimming even used OT in that record (he uses it to perform but afaik he doesnāt always use it for producing)
- Statements like being only able to hear it through proper lossless audio, then posting that he can hear it on youtube, are a bit inconsistent
We could simply get a sample, resample that through OTās cue out back into itself, transfer that to a computer and do a double blind test (with a bigger pool of samples of course). Or simply do the inversion flip to hear how much difference there is between the original sample and OTās DA/AD conversion.
Edit: also good to know: are talking about OT as a whole. As in FX , filters being added, Time stretching etc? Because sure, with all that used itās not a hi-fi machine. But I actually kind of like that lower-fi vibe that it gives when heavily used. Great for darker techno
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Iām one of those friends that when you are hanging out jamming with, I tend to reach over my friends shoulders and try to tweek knobs while they are playingā¦I kind of just want to make it sound better (my version of better). So, when someone says this or that sounds thin or whatever, I tend to want to help them make it sound betterā¦I think a lot of the people on here are like that.
But, when someone says āits sounds poor. I sold it 15 years agoā, there is no way to help them. They had a bad relationship with that product, bought another product and had a better time. It is what it is. Graphs and examples mean nothing at this point. There are a bunch in this thread.
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I hear you, but I think itās the other way around - statements stop to make sense, and get a lot more heated and polemic, because people start out by getting annoyed, when the subject is even brought up. Itās so tempting to start pounding at people, when they get defensive about material things. But itās a pointless endeavour.