OS 1.1.1 is out

gigerbone · 2014-07-19T11:50:41.000Z

The fact that midi sequencing has never been promised doesn’t mean that Analog Four owners should forgo their right to complain about its omission but those who do complain often get criticised for doing so.

The A4 has the lowest track count of all the Elektrons, it’s a challenge to compose full sounding tunes with it and the ability to sequence two CV devices doesn’t expand things much further.
All the Elektron machines which preceded the A4 could act as a brain/control centre for midi set-ups capable of big-sounding productions with a healthy track count and it’s frustrating that the A4’s lack of a single midi track means it can’t be used in this kind of role.

If the CV track could be switched to midi-mode you could link it up to a multi-timbral synth module or sampler and have a nice, full, drum kit all sequenced together under the same roof as your four A4 tracks.
But the ability to sequence two CV modules, which are typically monosynths, doesn’t exactly give you a complete set-up so you’ll probably need a drum machine which means syncing two sequencers so you lose that simplicity and things get messy.

Also, it’s likely that more people will already own midi gear than CV gear.

All this makes the Analog Four a terrible “my first Elektron” choice and severely limits its usability/versatility and it does deserve complaint.

desdinova · 2014-07-19T13:33:55.000Z

My ham sandwich doesn’t have turkey on it! This is awful!

gigerbone · 2014-07-19T14:35:40.000Z

""desdinova"":

This is awful!

Yep, as snipes go, I’d have to agree.

Burn_Cycle · 2014-07-19T15:03:42.000Z

My ham sandwich doesn’t have turkey on it! This is awful!

The A4 sequencer interface seems like the best hardware sequencing solution out there, at least the best one of the Elektron units, with the song mode and the way the little keyboard is used… Not having it transmit midi notes seems like an obvious talent that’s not being utilized, its just a shame. It would be so useful and musical and seems like a modest request.

If you really want to compare it to sandwiches, to me requesting midi note out would be more like asking for some common sauce. Asking for that shouldn’t get you strange looks.

rockreid · 2014-07-25T19:16:10.000Z

I’m having trouble with C6 on my Macbook using USB to update the A4 OS. The C6 Config menu does not show any Midi In or Out interface available. The Analog Keys is connected via USB and I have selected OS UPDATE WAITING FOR SYSEX.

I tried both USB and Midi/USB ports options in the Analog Keys Midi Config. I’m at a loss right now…

bandersong · 2014-07-25T20:44:13.000Z

I mean, is there really a reason for the A4 not having midi besides that Elektron didn’t say it did?

Just make the ability to choose between CV track and Midi track. Also be able to use FX track as a sequencer as you can now for if you have 2 monosynths.
Copy and paste it as much as you can from the OT if you have to, quick and dirty, no frills.

rockreid · 2014-07-25T21:20:00.000Z

update- I had to resort to using a midi interface and the Midi In on the Analog Keys to update the OS. USB does not work.

Signifier · 2014-07-25T23:36:09.000Z

You guys demanding MIDI ought to get over yourselves! This box was always about analog and CV sequencing - there was never a claim that it would do MIDI sequencing: it’s what you bought into… willingly. Anyway, the A4 does respond to MIDI clock and SPP, so plays in sync with other MIDI gear

gigerbone · 2014-07-26T16:18:20.000Z

""Signifier"":

…plays in sync with other MIDI gear

So you view the Analog Four as midi gear but don’t think midi sequencing is a reasonable request?
No one’s demanding it but we may well be quite passionate about the subject and that’s simply because the omission of midi is puzzling and its inclusion would greatly expand on the unit’s versatility.
The Analog Four with midi = the sky’s the limit.
The Analog Four with two CV tracks = Berlin School revisited.

Also, if Elektron gave it midi they’d sell more.

Signifier · 2014-07-26T20:23:09.000Z

Elektron don’t want you to buy one Elektron box - they want you to buy two or more! This is why they don’t have the same features on all of their boxes - its just clever marketing. The A4 board has connectors for multiple outs but the A4 doesn’t have these - you need Analog Keys for that. If your A4 had multi-outs and MIDI sequencing then you’d not bother with a Rytm or an Octa or a Mono…

namnibor · 2014-07-27T03:03:34.000Z

""Signifier"":

Elektron don’t want you to buy one Elektron box - they want you to buy two or more! This is why they don’t have the same features on all of their boxes - its just clever marketing. The A4 board has connectors for multiple outs but the A4 doesn’t have these - you need Analog Keys for that. If your A4 had multi-outs and MIDI sequencing then you’d not bother with a Rytm or an Octa or a Mono…

Serious control issues with this…just saying, not to mention sometimes dangerous fan-bois.

spike_spykstra · 2014-07-27T07:06:37.000Z

Is it such a bad thing? No midi sequencer? I pull a couple of midi tracks from my md and use cv from the a4 to mini brute. Its fair to complain that the a4 doesnt send midi but, like eveybody says, it never promised that. Apart from the financial perspective, i dont know why people dont just buy more kit! There is no “everything in one box” solution. Even if there was, are you sure you would want the limitations of sound? Chuck in some random biits of gear here and there. Shits and giggles to be had at every turn.

tonight · 2014-07-27T17:24:57.000Z

""gigerbone"":

[quote=“desdinova”]This is awful!

Yep, as snipes go, I’d have to agree.[/quote]
you could send messages directly to elektron
instead of clogging this forum with this flogged out dead horse
its beyond boring, and why you get the criticism.

gigerbone · 2014-07-28T00:02:24.000Z

""tonight"":

[quote=“gigerbone”][quote=“desdinova”]This is awful!

Yep, as snipes go, I’d have to agree.[/quote]
you could send messages directly to elektron
instead of clogging this forum with this flogged out dead horse
its beyond boring, and why you get the criticism.
[/quote]

A couple of people spoke of the lack of midi on an Elektron product on an Elektron forum, I too commented, that’s what the forum’s for.
Since you’re adding to the clogging of the forum, why not actually say something on the matter? And quote something relevant while you’re at it.

tonight · 2014-07-28T09:07:17.000Z

""gigerbone"":

[quote=“tonight”][quote=“gigerbone”][quote=“desdinova”]This is awful!

Yep, as snipes go, I’d have to agree.[/quote]
you could send messages directly to elektron
instead of clogging this forum with this flogged out dead horse
its beyond boring, and why you get the criticism.
[/quote]

A couple of people spoke of the lack of midi on an Elektron product on an Elektron forum, I too commented, that’s what the forum’s for.
Since you’re adding to the clogging of the forum, why not actually say something on the matter? And quote something relevant while you’re at it.
[/quote]
I would like them to add to the internal engine, and improve the int seq, this “update” is minor.

So lets see, there has already been numerous threads on the no midi out , so i called you out

because you could use those thread to whinge and gripe
and
meet like minded whingers and gripers
and
form a whingers and gripers forum,
I and many wouldn’t miss you and your self entitled ilk.

gigerbone · 2014-07-28T16:07:47.000Z

""tonight"":

there has already been numerous threads on the no midi out , so i called you out

because you could use those thread to whinge and gripe
and
meet like minded whingers and gripers
and
form a whingers and gripers forum,
I and many wouldn’t miss you and your self entitled ilk.

I already whinged and griped on those threads and will continue to do so wherever I see fit, you and your army of many’s disdain for me is not what I view as a convincing deterrent.

I don’t see how it was inappropriate to discuss the Analog Four’s lack of midi in this thread, there was no disrespectful derailment as this announcement was already officially posted by Elektron, shortly after, on the home page and the update’s content was never going to cause pages of discussion anyway.

I’d really like to start a thread on this matter to try and get a true feel for the average Analog Four user’s views on the worth of midi sequencing for the unit but am in two minds about it because of the school playground stuff which would probably accompany it

void · 2014-07-28T16:21:46.000Z

no, please do not continue the whinging and griping.

there’s been quite a bit of that lately, it makes the forum not exactly a fun place.

ZenPunkHippy · 2014-07-28T16:48:50.000Z

""gigerbone"":

I’d really like to start a thread on this matter to try and get a true feel for the average Analog Four user’s views on the worth of midi sequencing for the unit but am in two minds about it because of the school playground stuff which would probably accompany it

http://www.elektronauts.com/t/no-midi-output-arrrrgghhhhh/5698/56466

It becomes a “school playground” because people keep beating the same dead horse, over and over and over (and over …) again.
It gets tired!

gigerbone · 2014-07-28T18:05:24.000Z

""ZenPunkHippy"":

No MIDI output - ARRRRGGHHHHH - #93

It becomes a “school playground” because people keep beating the same dead horse, over and over and over (and over …) again.
It gets tired!

No, the school playground bit closely follows as you so beautifully demonstrated.

Thank you for the link to the thread I already contributed to.

And, lastly, if you find repetition irksome you may want to read your post back to yourself before hitting “post reply” in the future.

mOBiTh · 2014-07-31T11:39:03.000Z

Apparently (this is direct from the elektron horse’s mouth) they decided it wouldn’t have midi out at the beginning of the design process and therefore it doesn’t have the hardware capability (currently) to do midi out.

It does have the processing power to do OB though, which is clearly far more processing intensive.

So - can we set up a vote/poll thread? I would be interested to know (and I’m sure elektron would be) who would rather have OB and who would rather have MIDI out.

Apparently various people at elektron would ‘like it to have MIDI out’ in a future OS revision, but this may require pressure from users to actually happen.

It would be a fucking useful feature so everyone should make as much noise as possible IMO.