No, I really think for the price it seriously lacks synth engines like the D-Synth and FM Synth. Drum Synth and more experimental Stuff. For that price the synths are really not good. Even thou it is a nice machine. Why not make so that for the price it really is a shiny diamond?
I assume youâre talking about the XY. Of course it could be better - and most likely it will get better anyway over the years. But from the perspective of what was requested by op-z owners before the OP-XY was announced, itâs mostly what people requested: aluminum case, a screen, more storage, more flexible synth engines - and they are definitely better than the ones on the op-z imho - more projects, and everything in stereo. Of course, everyone finds new stuff to request now that itâs out. You want better synth engines, I want better sample management 
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Thatâs true. I bought the KOii only when v2.0 was released and it met most of the initial criticisms of it when first released. OK, hope flame is still burning!
Same here (live in the EU). Ordered on the night, havent received a shipping mail yet.
Anyone else already received theirs? Or are we gonna have to be a little more patient 
maybe they need to update each unit properly ^^
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I sold my Op-1F few months ago and my biggest fear regarding it was that TE might come with the biggest upgrade ever, with new synths, creative fx and capable sequencers! If that happens I would probably buy it again!
Iâm surprised to hear that some people are disappointed by the OP-1F synth engines. I think they sound really great. Rather than adding new synth engines, implementing additional modulation options (extra lfo/env, etc.) would probably make the biggest difference at this point.
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A second, freely routable envelope would be great on the OP-1f. This is very nicely implemented on the OP-XY, just click one of the encoders to switch to the other envelope.
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Agreed. They way the XY has the two envelopes setup is great and frees up the modulation. Would be great if this can to the Field too.
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I think the drum envelope isnât that greatâŚ
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Itâs good for drums and plucks, not for much else, which limits what you can do with it as a âmulti-samplerâ
Iâm like a broken record with this, but I just want fades in the drum sampler and the ability to lower the hiss from the tape styles & Iâll be set for life with this workstation.
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What I would love â across the board with manufacturers like this â would be a collaborative and more open process, with engineers and general users.
Users submit features/updates/fixes theyâd like to see, two sentences. 1 describes the thing, the second for addâl context, if needed. Done in a way that interested users (so many here) can upvote/discuss/collapse (when multiple are similar). Then, end of the month/period, the top ones (5-10-20?) are reviewed by the engineers and (assuming theyâre not nixed entirely) scored basically on the perceived labor/complexity to accomplish the task, lets say like a points system, 1-10 or 1-5, whatever.
Then they share the ones that are doable, to the community, along with their complexity, and some number of points that represents the bandwidth of the engineering team over the coming period, and the community then votes on the set of features theyâd most like prioritized within the available bandwidth, among the pre-screened and community upvoted concepts.
The grouping that gets the most support gets the priority of the engineers, along with any other fixes they feel are important or doable (as they already do) and feasible but not executed concepts can be pushed forward to future rounds. I know this is over simplifying some key things and there is more at play affecting priorities in updates than technical ability, bandwidth, and our preferences, but in an ecosystem that is so niche and designed to be supporting the community of users, it feels both practical and profitable to evolve in this way.
What do you guys think?
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I think this would improve things from a user standpoint but I understand why manufacturers without large teams (or community managers) shy away from such interaction as it creates expectations which they might be able to or want to match for whatever reason (changes of plans, staff availability, new opportunities etc).
But if this was done by users only it might be helpful as independent data for that type of decision making.
Abletons Move team are approaching something like that in their discord.
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if the last M8 open beta was any indication, we tend to forget that people are really annoying. it got to a point where tim said he wasnt sure if they would continue doing it in that fashion.
TE would need a whole position just for sifting through all the seething âjokeâ posts
edit: also i wouldnt be surprised if their email support can be spotty because they are likely already dealing with loads of pure noise emails, like from that one TP-7 thread
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Very good point.
Also, I probably sound like a prick with this opinion, but I think a lot of people donât really think their needs and resulting feature requests through from start to finish. Thinking of how a new function might be implemented and how it would slot in with the rest of the feature set and user interface of the instrument in question is crucial, imho.
A good or lets rather say bad example of this is the SP-404mkll. Lots of features that are nice on paper, but their implementation makes it pretty convoluted and confusing - in my opinion at least.
One of the greatest strengths of the OP-1f is the simplicity and elegance of the user interface. Iâd rather not have TE mess with it too much. And I think there arenât very many button combinations left that are not already in use. Though it might be cool to have e.g. EQ for each tape track, I canât think of a nice way or button combination that would make that feature a smooth addition.
On the other hand, there are some low hanging fruits that would definitely please the crowd. E.g. save slots for sequencers could be added just like the synth preset menu.
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It really is disappointing to see. The Deluge developer put up a long post about how feature requests were becoming very disruptive and the people making them were incredibly pushy about getting their wishes fulfilled. It was a cycle that added to burnout.
No fooling, the very next post basically said: âYeah, I get what youâre saying, but this feature request that I want to see is really important for these 15 reasons.â Like, come on, read the room.
Unless itâs spelled out that continued development by user feedback is a core principle of a product, I donât think it should be assumed or expected. Every game, every app, every product is now expected to be a lifetime of commitment from the developer. Itâs just not feasible. Someone who goes through the effort of creating a physical product had a very specific vision and a specific set of decisions that led to where it is. When you buy it, thatâs what it is. If there are bugs, yeah, those should be fixed. But the assumption of continued long-term development just leads to unhappiness for everyone.
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I totally agree â the realities introduce a lot of mess into the process that isnât always realistic or useful. The only part Iâd push back on is the idea that customers shouldnât expect more than what comes with the device at purchase. While I personally agree with that, I think brands like TE (and many others) have started to benefit from the ambiguity around what future updates may include, often releasing incomplete products and relying on customersâ faith in future add-ons.
Iâd love to see a company release a product and clearly state, âAll future updates will be limited to bug fixes, optimization, and user experience â no added features or functionality.â But of course, that would never happen. So I donât think people can be blamed for imagining or expecting more than whatâs guaranteed â and that kind of ambiguity only makes things worse.
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! Especially in the synth community, I often get the feeling that there is a strange kind of entitlement where people think they can demand extra features and on every occasion have to express their frustration that company XY doesnât fulfill their wishes. Personally, this has become very annoying for me, as products are so unnecessarily bad-mouthed. Iâm looking at you Torso S4.
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This presupposes that a product is launched on the market in a mature state. Which in fact is less and less the case. See OP-XY or (even worse) Bento. The manufacturers themselves are to blame for the high expectations of their customers.
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