One shot trigs

sicijk · 2014-01-07T23:24:32.000Z

""avantronica"":

[quote=“sicijk”]Which tip sorry?

The one i highlighted one shot back to Full (the quick way)
hadn’t seen that vid - cheers, good timing[/quote]
you know? i dont know!

i was just trying a way to understand how to get rid of those color-changing leds

avantronica · 2014-01-08T12:12:37.000Z

""sicijk"":

[quote=“avantronica”][quote=“sicijk”]Which tip sorry?

The one i highlighted one shot back to Full (the quick way)
hadn’t seen that vid - cheers, good timing[/quote]
you know? i dont know!

i was just trying a way to understand how to get rid of those color-changing leds [/quote]
I’m confuuuuuused with our chat now - I thought that converting a spent One Shot to a Trig would be simpler (not in manual)- simpler than this…
Fn + Trig, then Trig again
You suggested arming track and Then Just hitting Trig, I think that’s better
PLUS
if you release Fn after you arm track with Fn+Yes, you can keep ALL the oneshots armed and turn them all back to TRIGS, this is quite quick, and handy as a way to drop samples out from time to time and bring 'em all back in - thanks (i don’t think that or the Hold Yes tip are in the manual, not that i’ve read every last word)

sicijk · 2014-01-08T12:20:41.000Z

no i mean that if you hit a oneshot in Grid mode it will activate all the other oneshots (if any)

but keeping it pressed doesn’t keep arming. Just the FUNCT+YES or only YES (if activated)

this function doesnt stick alot with me, i would prefer that hitting a oneshot would arm only that specific trig…not all the oneshots!

Your tip about keeping the track armed continuosly while bringing bck some normal trig is awesome! thanks!!

rhizome · 2014-01-08T14:33:12.000Z

has anyone gotten the “hold yes” functionality to work for individual tracks via MIDI? I tried momentary and toggle buttons (nanokontrol) and had to press it again either way to get the next one shot to arm, rather than it continuously arming all one shots on that track until releasing the button.

MK7 · 2014-01-08T15:03:59.000Z

That “hold yes” trick sounds interesting! I’m using different patterns with normal trigs and pattern changes synced to 4/16 for the same purpose (some with trigs and some without). The OT is flexible enough so that one can choose his favorite of different button combinations to achieve the same results.

avantronica · 2014-01-08T15:17:28.000Z

""rhizome"":

has anyone gotten the “hold yes” functionality to work for individual tracks via MIDI? I tried momentary and toggle buttons (nanokontrol) and had to press it again either way to get the next one shot to arm, rather than it continuously arming all one shots on that track until releasing the button.

nah, doesn’t seem to work that way, there is only one midi message sent, there is no held state, the button obviously does hold the Yes state, but via midi it seems to be impossible, it would need to latch via midi, it only send a CC52 value of 1, Elektron would have to extend the midi side to replicate this- i’d like to see that too !

rhizome · 2014-01-08T20:39:09.000Z

I see… makes sense but that’s a shame… like many aspects of the MIDI spec

avantronica · 2014-01-08T21:08:40.000Z

""rhizome"":

I see… makes sense but that’s a shame… like many aspects of the MIDI spec

yep - i’m a bit noob on the OT but i’ve found a few gaps i’d sooner have seen filled, like remote stop for each track and not just start

zeropoint · 2014-01-11T17:51:06.000Z

[quote=“” avantronica""]

[quote=“rhizome”]has anyone gotten the “hold yes” functionality to work for individual tracks via MIDI? I tried momentary and toggle buttons (nanokontrol) and had to press it again either way to get the next one shot to arm, rather than it continuously arming all one shots on that track until releasing the button.
[/quote]

nah, doesn’t seem to work that way, there is only one midi message sent, there is no held state, the button obviously does hold the Yes state, but via midi it seems to be impossible, it would need to latch via midi, it only send a CC52 value of 1, Elektron would have to extend the midi side to replicate this- i’d like to see that too ! [/quote]
If you have an ipad and lemur, kraftf’s OT template sends out the cc continuously to keep re-arming the one shots…me likey.

avantronica · 2014-01-11T18:12:55.000Z

""zeropoint"":

[quote=" avantronica"][quote=“rhizome”]has anyone gotten the “hold yes” functionality to work for individual tracks via MIDI? I tried momentary and toggle buttons (nanokontrol) and had to press it again either way to get the next one shot to arm, rather than it continuously arming all one shots on that track until releasing the button.

nah, doesn’t seem to work that way, there is only one midi message sent, there is no held state, the button obviously does hold the Yes state, but via midi it seems to be impossible, it would need to latch via midi, it only send a CC52 value of 1, Elektron would have to extend the midi side to replicate this- i’d like to see that too ! [/quote]
If you have an ipad and lemur, kraftf’s OT template sends out the cc continuously to keep re-arming the one shots…me likey.[/quote]
aha, that’s one way to do it think i grabbed that template but didn’t try it out yet - curious to see how continuously, should probably try to refresh every few midi ticks, so it updates between Trigs - good ingenuity, Lemur is ideal for this kinda scripting !

TJT · 2014-01-31T15:00:37.000Z

I figured I put this here instead of a new thread:

I used one shot trigs for the first time last night and things went a little buggy…

When I went to turn a couple trigs into one shots nothing happened. I tried 6 or 7 times and there was no color change in the LED. I assumed I was doing something wrong and re-read the manual…nope!..I was doing it right.

I tried several more times and eventually the function began working. Now it seems to work fine (though occasionally I have to do the function+trig a couple time to get it to work)…

Has anyone else had issues getting one-shot trigs to work?
Multiple tries to get them to engage?

I don’t feel anything weird with the buttons or anything…it just seems to not recognize the function immediately everytime (and especially not the first time I tried it).

FWIW I have never had this issue with regular trigs or trigless trigs…they have always worked immediately.

Should I be worried?
I’d hate to have to send it (my second OT) back.

subq · 2014-01-31T15:48:05.000Z

this behavior happens to me with one shot recorder trigs all the time

I hit fn+enter/yes and it doesn’t re-arm, I hit track+enter/yes and it doesn’t re-arm

if I do it enough times it will eventually re-arm, frustrating

I do have the yes/enter only option turned off, so maybe that has something to do with the bug. However, I want that option off, it’s too easy to accidentally arm/dis-arm triggers with just yes/no instead of the fn requirement

TJT · 2014-01-31T16:44:28.000Z

And you’re also having it happen initially…as in, when you initially change a regular trig into a one shot?

avantronica · 2014-01-31T18:11:22.000Z

could you write down the most simple way to replicate this, haven’t noticed myself, but best to repeat exact steps !

TJT · 2014-01-31T18:24:16.000Z

If you’re referring to me rather than subq:

1)In grid record mode

2)Regular trig placed on step one…working with no problems…

3)holding down ‘Function’ and then pressing the trig previously placed on step one

trig continues to show red LED and does not turn to yellow (indicating one shot) until several presses of trig (while hold ‘Function’)

5)this problem was chronic (possibly a dozen ‘presses’ until it worked) upon my first attempt at placing a one shot (as in, first time ever using a one shot since I’ve had my OT)

6)problem is now sporadic…sometimes it works on a single press…sometimes it takes a few presses to get it to change (to a one shot)

again…I have never had a problem placing a regular trig or a trigless trig previously …so it doesn’t seem like a bad button or anything

also…it seems to be worse on the the first three trig buttons…but this may be coincidental

avantronica · 2014-01-31T19:04:25.000Z

that seems like a clear cut case then - i wondered if there’d be some particular nuance to it - fwiw - when i convert it is as you expected

but i’ve just realised i have a sticky scale button, different feel to the others, softer, less positive !

subq · 2014-01-31T19:21:48.000Z

I would need to film mine but it does happen nearly every time I use my OT, I probably should have stated I am referring to arming one-shot trigs. I can place the trig fine (and convert between types of trig).

avantronica · 2014-01-31T20:20:46.000Z

""subq"":

I would need to film mine but it does happen nearly every time I use my OT, I probably should have stated I am referring to arming one-shot trigs. I can place the trig fine (and convert between types of trig).

that’s partly why i was asking, to arm more than one one-shot trigger you need to hold Fn+Yes or is it Track+Yes - as soon as one one-shot is spent, ALL one-shots on a track get disarmed
sorry if this is obvious, OT is quite new to me too

subq · 2014-01-31T20:30:19.000Z

""avantronica"":

[quote=“subq”]I would need to film mine but it does happen nearly every time I use my OT, I probably should have stated I am referring to arming one-shot trigs. I can place the trig fine (and convert between types of trig).

that’s partly why i was asking, to arm more than one one-shot trigger you need to hold Fn+Yes or is it Track+Yes - as soon as one one-shot is spent, ALL one-shots on a track get disarmed
sorry if this is obvious, OT is quite new to me too[/quote]
correct, that is how it is supposed to work, however, what I’m finding is that it just isn’t working all the time, these are one shot recorder trigs that are placed on step 1 of the track and appear properly…hitting the proper combination of keys shows that it arms, they just don’t trigger recording, if hit multiple times, they will eventually arm…

what I haven’t done is rule out individual options to see if it only occurs with that option…i.e., these are set with QREC PLEN and SCALE MODE PER TRACK so it may have something to do with that…I will need to test that

edit went to just record phone video of it this evening and go figure, I couldn’t, reproduce it…I will just have to keep on eye for it

TJT · 2014-02-27T14:54:37.000Z

""TJT"":

If you’re referring to me rather than subq:

1)In grid record mode

2)Regular trig placed on step one…working with no problems…

3)holding down ‘Function’ and then pressing the trig previously placed on step one

trig continues to show red LED and does not turn to yellow (indicating one shot) until several presses of trig (while hold ‘Function’)

5)this problem was chronic (possibly a dozen ‘presses’ until it worked) upon my first attempt at placing a one shot (as in, first time ever using a one shot since I’ve had my OT)

6)problem is now sporadic…sometimes it works on a single press…sometimes it takes a few presses to get it to change (to a one shot)

again…I have never had a problem placing a regular trig or a trigless trig previously …so it doesn’t seem like a bad button or anything

also…it seems to be worse on the the first three trig buttons…but this may be coincidental

I wanted to check back in and say that compressed air fixed this problem.
It does seem strange to me that I’ve had two ‘dust problems’ that have caused malfunction on a brand new machine. (crossfader jumping values and this trig issue).
I’m really glad I didn’t have to send my OT back in (again…hp crackle) but I find it odd that this issue has been so significant for me.