One shot trigs

avantronica · 2014-01-07T15:16:41.000Z

So, I was exploring all the trig ninja moves last night, I found a way to restore a one shot to the original normal trig (which may have a slice plock) but it is clunky and it certainly was not in the manual, so I’ll ask the question how do you return your one shot trig to a normal trig without erasing it along the way ?.

I was really trying to find a way to replicate some of the benefits of the trig mutes from the a4 and I’m only able to think of using trips converted back and forth between trig less locks and trigs. It’s also a bit clunky

I am a bit shocked that all operations on OT trigs are happening on one trig at a time, it is possible to do many trigs at once on the a4 and I’ve gotten quite used to that ! It makes doing a number of changes on a track very laborious (when copy pa.ste is not appropriate)

I’m hoping I’m missing something, any trig tips (advanced stuff) for noobs ???

sicijk · 2014-01-07T17:56:19.000Z

So…you’re right avantronica about the clunky situation in regards of multiple functions trig…anyway…

…going literally with the manual (since i dont know special versions of the combo and, especially because i stiil dont program too much with OT and i need more finger practice…)

GRID RECORDING mode

put a blank TRIG

TRANSFORM IT IN A TRIGLESS TRIG (the one that triggers Env and Lfo)

press the TRIG + NO

TRANSFORM IT IN A TRIGLESS LOCK (the one that doesn’t trigger anything)

keep pressed the full green TRIG + NO

TRANSFORM IT BACK TO NORMAL TRIG

press the TRIG

TRANSFORM IT TO A ONE SHOT

press FUNCT+ TRIG

ARM THE ONE SHOT

described methods in the manual (depending also from menus)
press the TRIG (it will go full yellow when ARMED)
[if you have other oneshots this pressing will arm them too…it is equally like pressing YES]****i think this is not in the manual…

Then, if you want to DISARM you press NO

TRANSORM THE ONE SHOT BACK TO A NORMAL TRIG
while the trig is ARMED

press the TRIG
it’ll get full red.

PLACE A TRIGLESS LOCK (the one that doesn’t trigger anything)

press FUNCT + blank TRIG

It’s like layers of functions…and the path is not always straight…
but with a bit of practice the usefulness of those will be easier achievable

Im sure i’ve forgot something,ask whatever!
d^:^b

avantronica · 2014-01-07T18:21:29.000Z

""sicijk"":

TRANSORM THE ONE SHOT BACK TO A NORMAL TRIG
while the trig is ARMED

press the TRIG
it’ll get full red.

yeah
when you tend to work and test with short tracks the one shot trigs always go inactive pretty quickly
my method was to replicate the one shot enabling combo - ie Fn+Trig, then just Trig again
I still do NOT understand the reason why i can only have one One shot per track that does something, I know how to arm a track, the trigs go full yellow but when one is passed they both go out
i also know that i can hold the Fn+Yes, i just don’t get the logic, yet !!
thanx - much neater method
shame that muting a selection of trigs is a pain tho

[edit] is that tip in the manual anywhere ?

sicijk · 2014-01-07T22:31:06.000Z

Which tip sorry?
Also…soryy but i dont get (understand) this your sentence:

why i can only have one One shot per track that does something

[sorry i am not really good in comprehension sometime]

Anyway, dont want to bother or to presume you haven’t seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW-oCZa6-g0 by the supernice Skab.

For me it showed how oneshots are incredible fun for fast jamming or to make a 1 bar pattern interesting at every pass

avantronica · 2014-01-07T22:36:16.000Z

""sicijk"":

Which tip sorry?

The one i highlighted one shot back to Full (the quick way)
hadn’t seen that vid - cheers, good timing

avantronica · 2014-01-07T22:38:23.000Z

yeah - i just meant that when you arm a track all one shots get disarmed as soon as it passes the first one - you have to hold in the Arm Track combo to get them all to play - you therefore can’t arm once for multiple one shots !!

#puzzlingmestill

sicijk · 2014-01-07T23:24:32.000Z

""avantronica"":

[quote=“sicijk”]Which tip sorry?

The one i highlighted one shot back to Full (the quick way)
hadn’t seen that vid - cheers, good timing[/quote]
you know? i dont know!

i was just trying a way to understand how to get rid of those color-changing leds

avantronica · 2014-01-08T12:12:37.000Z

""sicijk"":

[quote=“avantronica”][quote=“sicijk”]Which tip sorry?

The one i highlighted one shot back to Full (the quick way)
hadn’t seen that vid - cheers, good timing[/quote]
you know? i dont know!

i was just trying a way to understand how to get rid of those color-changing leds [/quote]
I’m confuuuuuused with our chat now - I thought that converting a spent One Shot to a Trig would be simpler (not in manual)- simpler than this…
Fn + Trig, then Trig again
You suggested arming track and Then Just hitting Trig, I think that’s better
PLUS
if you release Fn after you arm track with Fn+Yes, you can keep ALL the oneshots armed and turn them all back to TRIGS, this is quite quick, and handy as a way to drop samples out from time to time and bring 'em all back in - thanks (i don’t think that or the Hold Yes tip are in the manual, not that i’ve read every last word)

sicijk · 2014-01-08T12:20:41.000Z

no i mean that if you hit a oneshot in Grid mode it will activate all the other oneshots (if any)

but keeping it pressed doesn’t keep arming. Just the FUNCT+YES or only YES (if activated)

this function doesnt stick alot with me, i would prefer that hitting a oneshot would arm only that specific trig…not all the oneshots!

Your tip about keeping the track armed continuosly while bringing bck some normal trig is awesome! thanks!!

rhizome · 2014-01-08T14:33:12.000Z

has anyone gotten the “hold yes” functionality to work for individual tracks via MIDI? I tried momentary and toggle buttons (nanokontrol) and had to press it again either way to get the next one shot to arm, rather than it continuously arming all one shots on that track until releasing the button.

MK7 · 2014-01-08T15:03:59.000Z

That “hold yes” trick sounds interesting! I’m using different patterns with normal trigs and pattern changes synced to 4/16 for the same purpose (some with trigs and some without). The OT is flexible enough so that one can choose his favorite of different button combinations to achieve the same results.

avantronica · 2014-01-08T15:17:28.000Z

""rhizome"":

has anyone gotten the “hold yes” functionality to work for individual tracks via MIDI? I tried momentary and toggle buttons (nanokontrol) and had to press it again either way to get the next one shot to arm, rather than it continuously arming all one shots on that track until releasing the button.

nah, doesn’t seem to work that way, there is only one midi message sent, there is no held state, the button obviously does hold the Yes state, but via midi it seems to be impossible, it would need to latch via midi, it only send a CC52 value of 1, Elektron would have to extend the midi side to replicate this- i’d like to see that too !

rhizome · 2014-01-08T20:39:09.000Z

I see… makes sense but that’s a shame… like many aspects of the MIDI spec

avantronica · 2014-01-08T21:08:40.000Z

""rhizome"":

I see… makes sense but that’s a shame… like many aspects of the MIDI spec

yep - i’m a bit noob on the OT but i’ve found a few gaps i’d sooner have seen filled, like remote stop for each track and not just start

zeropoint · 2014-01-11T17:51:06.000Z

[quote=“” avantronica""]

[quote=“rhizome”]has anyone gotten the “hold yes” functionality to work for individual tracks via MIDI? I tried momentary and toggle buttons (nanokontrol) and had to press it again either way to get the next one shot to arm, rather than it continuously arming all one shots on that track until releasing the button.
[/quote]

nah, doesn’t seem to work that way, there is only one midi message sent, there is no held state, the button obviously does hold the Yes state, but via midi it seems to be impossible, it would need to latch via midi, it only send a CC52 value of 1, Elektron would have to extend the midi side to replicate this- i’d like to see that too ! [/quote]
If you have an ipad and lemur, kraftf’s OT template sends out the cc continuously to keep re-arming the one shots…me likey.

avantronica · 2014-01-11T18:12:55.000Z

""zeropoint"":

[quote=" avantronica"][quote=“rhizome”]has anyone gotten the “hold yes” functionality to work for individual tracks via MIDI? I tried momentary and toggle buttons (nanokontrol) and had to press it again either way to get the next one shot to arm, rather than it continuously arming all one shots on that track until releasing the button.

nah, doesn’t seem to work that way, there is only one midi message sent, there is no held state, the button obviously does hold the Yes state, but via midi it seems to be impossible, it would need to latch via midi, it only send a CC52 value of 1, Elektron would have to extend the midi side to replicate this- i’d like to see that too ! [/quote]
If you have an ipad and lemur, kraftf’s OT template sends out the cc continuously to keep re-arming the one shots…me likey.[/quote]
aha, that’s one way to do it think i grabbed that template but didn’t try it out yet - curious to see how continuously, should probably try to refresh every few midi ticks, so it updates between Trigs - good ingenuity, Lemur is ideal for this kinda scripting !

TJT · 2014-01-31T15:00:37.000Z

I figured I put this here instead of a new thread:

I used one shot trigs for the first time last night and things went a little buggy…

When I went to turn a couple trigs into one shots nothing happened. I tried 6 or 7 times and there was no color change in the LED. I assumed I was doing something wrong and re-read the manual…nope!..I was doing it right.

I tried several more times and eventually the function began working. Now it seems to work fine (though occasionally I have to do the function+trig a couple time to get it to work)…

Has anyone else had issues getting one-shot trigs to work?
Multiple tries to get them to engage?

I don’t feel anything weird with the buttons or anything…it just seems to not recognize the function immediately everytime (and especially not the first time I tried it).

FWIW I have never had this issue with regular trigs or trigless trigs…they have always worked immediately.

Should I be worried?
I’d hate to have to send it (my second OT) back.

subq · 2014-01-31T15:48:05.000Z

this behavior happens to me with one shot recorder trigs all the time

I hit fn+enter/yes and it doesn’t re-arm, I hit track+enter/yes and it doesn’t re-arm

if I do it enough times it will eventually re-arm, frustrating

I do have the yes/enter only option turned off, so maybe that has something to do with the bug. However, I want that option off, it’s too easy to accidentally arm/dis-arm triggers with just yes/no instead of the fn requirement

TJT · 2014-01-31T16:44:28.000Z

And you’re also having it happen initially…as in, when you initially change a regular trig into a one shot?

avantronica · 2014-01-31T18:11:22.000Z

could you write down the most simple way to replicate this, haven’t noticed myself, but best to repeat exact steps !