then Id recommend the MPC Live III with maybe the Iona and/or bass factory paid plugins, it is more powerful and in-depth than pretty much all the elektron box combined and adds a very long list of features / possibilities on top of that
I can go into details if needed 
Is the workflow really that much better than Mk I/II? I hated the fact that I’m expected to basically live-record everything, because the step sequencer and touch-screen MIDI editing were a huge pain in the a**.
Do the hardware step sequencer buttons really make such a difference?
Sorry for OT (off-topic, not Octatrack 
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I own an Akai Force which basically has the same OS as the MPCs but has pad sequencers, 8 Qlinks and a physical clip launching grid, I can talk about all the features in common between Force and Live III except the MPCe pads, the sequencer is also different between both though.
there is a specific workflow to go very fast which is to never ever use the pen or eraser buttons to edit midi notes, use selection tool + data knob and the modes: Nudge / Edit Start / Edit End / Transpose / Automation / delete / copy & paste / duplicate, with the sequencer of the Live III it is now even faster since you have physical buttons to put down a note close to where you want before editing it.
Akai Force is even faster because you can have a 64 step grid and a 32 step melodic grid,
the only thing faster than this would be a daw
Hello, here’s some feedback for anyone interested after 10 days of using the Tonverk: the machine is going back to the retailer.
It took me a little while to realize that I was chasing a unicorn.
The Tonverk is genuinely a lot of fun to use and incredibly powerful, but I found myself thinking several times: what am I actually doing with this machine? I also often found the final sound a bit muddy or flat. It seemed to lack punch, although that’s probably at least partly due to my lack of experience with it.
In some ways, it also gets quite close to a DAW. But maybe that’s exactly the problem for me: I get some of the everything-in-one-place nature of a DAW without the same ease of use. The effects are good, without being particularly distinctive. Same with the granular engine, and I couldn’t get anything useful out of the wavetable engine.
Layering effects is definitely where it excels, that’s for sure. But in the end, if I want to stack effects, I might as well continue doing what I already do: use Ableton.
Anyway, it was a necessary experience. After all this time, I think I need to stop looking for a machine that doesn’t exist. I should explore Ableton more deeply and take a break from hardware, because at this point, hardware machines would only be answering a need that has nothing to do with music: GAS.
Of course, this is only my personal opinion, and I’m sure plenty of other people will find exactly what they’re looking for in the Tonverk.
Alright then, see you again when Elektron releases a new machine.
I first bought a Digitakt.
Then I got the Models series :
Model Sample (!)
Model Cycle (!)
highly recommend the Model(s) series. It’s simple and straightforward to use. Since you already use software, preparing your samples shouldn’t be a problem (…)
If you’re into techno and that’s what you want to make, the built-in sounds on both Models are really good quality.
The two machines work really well together, both for creating and developing patterns, and for MIDI. When synced together, and with a sound card, you can easily create different sound banks: one-shots, loops, effects, etc.
Keypoint for me, versus the others (!) (!) (!)
And because they’re so easy to use, you’ll enjoy making music and playing.
Thank you for the tip, I’ve been enjoying Radagast 
Hey, I’m back and I was wrong… 
The DN2 is incredible and so different than the MkI. I really like this box !
For me, that was the aswer.
It’s time to make music
I’ve found it be an incredible drum machine. I’ve only really used the Granular machine on vocals so far and you can’t do that on every track imo.
I am also non-plussed by the Wavetable machine despite being very excited about it on release. There’s something about it I don’t enjoy but can’t say exactly what the cause is yet.
it really depends what wavetables you give him to eat, i’m having a blast with wavefinder, the cherry ontop of the cake if you ask me.
I listened to what Dungeon Synth is*, and my answer is Tonverk.
But you can always post some of your favourite Dungeon Synth tracks, to give us a better picture 
Literally the only complaint I have about Wavefinder (which also applies to Grainer) is that I would enjoy the option to have a simple square or triangle sub with level control on it. This is one thing 1010music got very right with their granular and wavetable synths IMO.
I’m always ready to admit I’m doing it wrong 
. Whatever ‘it’ is.
You have no obligation to enjoy things I do and I have no obligation to enjoy things you do.
I will only say that when I first approached wavefinder I was like “eh whatever” and then once I dropped in a lot of good wavetables and spent some time to make patches I liked (labeling them with samples per frame correctly helped a lot…) I found that I was able to quickly make a lot of really wonderful synths and having them attached to the rest of Tonverk makes it really quick to get some very interesting things going.
I also love grainer for taking a drone sample and turning it into something exceptional.
Hey! To begin with, it’s difficult to share just one track because I tend to listen to full albums rather than individual tracks.
I can share some of my favorite albums though — it’s not like anyone is losing anything! You can just skip through the tracks.
(Besides, it’s time to make a thread about Dungeon Synth!)
A bit of a mix of old-school and new-school:
Old school DS album :
A great artist I really like: Mountain Realm
Another classic DS artist : Aindulmedir
A album made for a D&D campaign
TOAD KING !
Radagast make a good Dungeon Synth album, OST of Vermis Book with a Digitone (maybe mkII)
Matt Uelmen’s Diablo II OST is another good example (for me)
I won’t make this list too long because I listen to a LOT of Dungeon Synth albums, and my YouTube playlist is already ridiculously long haha.
I’ve also made a Dungeon Synth track/video, for example (I only had the courage to post this one so far…)
But getting back to your point, I agree with you: on paper, the Tonverk seems perfect for Dungeon Synth. It’s basically a modern rompler.
A lot of great tracks have been made with old romplers like the M1, JV-1080, etc.
But we don’t make music on paper.
I’ve tried the TV, and I was clearly overwhelmed by all the possibilities. The workflow also felt very… strange? I never really managed to figure out what I was supposed to do with it.
But it’s okay, the DN2 seems to be the answer! I hope so.
you shoud not miss out on this one.
Not Technically only dungeon synth , because the genre didn’t existed back in the days.
a mixture of synth samplers , real medieval instrument and a singer.
Thanks for that - me and a mate have recently bought Tonverks, and will be using them with a range of weird, and slightly obscure old instruments. Trying to work out how that’ll sound - haven’t heard of ‘dungeon synth’ before, but it’s close to some of what we’re envisioning - but maybe with a bit of added modular synth!
