Nord modular G2 still worth it now that we have VCV?

DovrBch · 2024-03-04T13:33:03.222Z

crueltwist:

THIS is the real key to why the G2 is the most amazing synth ever and why no-one else has never done something similar or better is completely beyond me…

it would be an instant buy for me and the market seems mature enough for a product like this.

hyperstationjr · 2024-03-04T14:23:19.035Z

I mean on one hand yes, any successor to the G2 would be welcome, and a few have tried (axoloti, Wren) but I’m not sure the problem the Nord Modular series was trying to address exists anymore.

Computer systems are much more reliable than when the Modular series was introduced, so to be successful, I think it would likely have to be able to work independently of a computer, because otherwise, why wouldn’t you just use software or Push or something like that?

If that’s the case, the UI becomes a major hurdle to jump because you’d need a way to select and connect modules and place them freely, set up modulation routing, etc., as well as a system for controlling parameters with hardware controls.

I could see a riff off of the Waldorf Iridium, with a large touch screen, dedicated buttons for system controls, and a series of assignable controls similar to the G2, but that would be a real niche, and likely expensive, product.

I’d want it, but I don’t think can realistically expect anyone to make it.

DovrBch · 2024-03-04T14:39:47.522Z

I was thinking something like a bigger 4ms meta

apeirophobe · 2024-03-04T17:23:13.507Z

My thoughts on this (and to elaborate on what I wrote above):
For years, while using the G2, I dreamt of something like VCV but when it materialized I just wasn’t excited to use it and I still use the G2. A G3 will never happen but if it did, I would like to see them stick to the same formula of patching on the computer and having the hardware be a great controller for your modular creations. What I would do different:

Much more memory and sampling capabilities
Hardware plugins: imagine the guts of some popular euro rack filters in a format that had no physical controls but could be plugged into a G3 hardware and have total recall from the editor/hardware UI.
Wifi connection for …
Editor as a web app and open source

chapelierfou · 2024-03-04T17:33:48.787Z

If it needs a computer editor but can connect wirelessly, that would be awesome. I love the ease of use when patching on a large screen, it’s awesome !

keygen.exe · 2024-03-04T19:03:15.617Z

Is there any chance of Wren ever being available on Mac? Has the developer mentioned any such plans?

license · 2024-03-04T19:31:00.343Z

Sounds sorta like norns tbh.

apeirophobe · 2024-03-04T19:56:25.983Z

I do have Norns but I fail to see any similarities

license · 2024-03-04T20:29:42.417Z

apeirophobe:

Much more memory and sampling capabilities

apeirophobe:

Wifi connection for …

apeirophobe:

Editor as a web app and open source

Check, check, and check. To be fair, the “patching” (i.e. SuperCollider code) can’t be done from the web UI as far as I know. It’s possible to connect to the norns SuperCollider server from a desktop SC IDE, though, which isn’t a browser, but could probably be ported for one.

apeirophobe:

Hardware plugins: imagine the guts of some popular euro rack filters in a format that had no physical controls but could be plugged into a G3 hardware and have total recall from the editor/hardware UI.

Norns has parameter recall via its preset system. It is a bit limited on physical controls, but it’s also a USB host, so e.g. a MIDI controller could compensate. As far as guts of modules, there’s quite a bit built into SC already, but there’s also ports of e.g. Mutable Instruments modules. And everything with Norns is happening live on the Raspberry Pi, so there’s no separate editor necessary.

To be fair, I’m not aware of a visual patching interface a la G1/G2 for SuperCollider, and that’s where Organelle might be a better fit. Also Norns (and I think Organelle too) ended up being more like an open-source “app store” where there are many more script-users than script-writers. I believe monome’s original intent was more like the use case you’re describing, though. At least that’s how I thought of it.

It also opens up possibilities for live-coding Lua (and SC with some extra effort), which is almost like having a modular where you can rewire not just between modules but also within each module.

Burpy · 2024-03-04T21:01:22.685Z

apeirophobe:

Editor as a web app and open source

As someone made an alternative editor for the G2 allready (not maintained) this should be possible.

richie · 2024-03-04T21:31:47.937Z

they did say it would launch with expander modules with additional controls so here’s hoping its a contender.

Heath · 2024-03-04T22:18:20.750Z

Did anyone ever get the G2 editor to work on an M1 Mac? I know they can work on an intel with WINE…

LCVL · 2024-03-05T06:37:43.710Z

Heath:

I know they can work on an intel with WINE…

I don’t think so. That would be the G1.
But if you know a way to run the G2 editor on a modern Mac, please let me know.
AFAIK, the problem is the USB driver needed for the OS to recognise the device.

chapelierfou · 2024-03-05T07:02:53.783Z

Personally I bought a 100€ mini PC just for the G2, and I’m super happy I did. It could even fit in the G2 itself…

Burpy · 2024-03-05T16:57:25.119Z

Care to share a picture?

chapelierfou · 2024-03-05T17:15:49.008Z

Of the Mini PC inside the G2 ?
I said it could ! Not that I did it ! But I’ll consider it…

mnmlst · 2024-03-05T20:17:50.048Z

Which PC? I’ve been a Mac guy for decades, and not sure what I’d need to get. Sadly, my G2 is hibernating in the closest.

hyperstationjr · 2024-03-05T21:24:48.140Z

I’ve been thinking about the possibility of an older touchscreen PC or tablet just to run the G2 editor and patch via touch, but not sure if it would work with anything affordable.

DoS · 2024-03-05T21:59:17.734Z

LCVL:

But if you know a way to run the G2 editor on a modern Mac, please let me know.
AFAIK, the problem is the USB driver needed for the OS to recognise the device

I have no idea about Macs, but I use the editor with a Micro Modular under WINE on Linux by using the MIDI i/o on a Scarlett soundcard.

hyperstationjr · 2024-03-06T00:27:42.116Z

If there was some kind of visual patching environment for Norns, I’d be all over it again. I had it and liked it, but didn’t feel like I did much with it outside of the couple of apps/patches I found that worked for me, and they weren’t doing anything too out there that I couldn’t do in VCV rack.

I could see the potential, it was a great interface, but without being able to make my own patches, it wasn’t much good to me.

That’s sort of the magic of the G2 in particular, it had a lot of power in a very easy to use package.

The o it thing that came close was using Automatonism in PD, but even that was pretty limiting and not full-featured enough, and it only sounded ok.