No MIDI output - ARRRRGGHHHHH

void · 2017-03-05T22:45:56.181Z

tbqh… it looks a lot like the DT OS is another version of the Rytm/A4 OS, sans analog stuff. same user-facing features, and pretty sure they’re sharing a lot of the internal magic… Elektron devs have now built MIDI sequencing for this generation of OS. it should be kind of trivial to make it available in Rytm/A4. imo, this is 100% not a technical issue.

what might keep this from happening:

A4/AR CPUs are maybe already super busy dealing with analog things
there’s no space: each pattern would need twice the number of tracks if each track should be able to do both synthesis and MIDI
marketing

the first two things seem kinda moot… could be possible to choose a MIDI machine instead of a synth, so you could have a few tracks only doing MIDI duty, no extra space needed, would swap analog control resources for MIDI things, and the UI for that would be super simple.

leaves only one reason.

Analogic · 2017-03-06T02:17:02.315Z

Isn’t this easily solved with any CV controllable synth that outputs midi? Just link up a Minitaur or Slim Phatty or any number of other options to your CV outs (which is really advisable anyway) and your ‘problem’ is solved.

RoyShade · 2017-03-06T04:47:03.638Z

I don’t think you’ll get notes. Seem to recall info to that effect over on the Moog forum. Would love to be wrong.

Analogic · 2017-03-06T05:24:15.004Z

Ah… you may be right. Never tried it myself but I kinda got over the no midi output thing before I bought my AK.

omidian · 2017-03-29T14:03:28.170Z

Why can’t you make the a4 send midi? I know a lot of people who would pay extra to make it Do so . Many thanks Rick

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lemons · 2017-03-29T16:08:17.447Z

omidian:

Why can’t you make the a4 send midi?

They need to sell Octatrack and Digitakt too.

omidian · 2017-03-29T16:27:26.346Z

True but why not have it as a upgrade?

FreeBot777 · 2017-03-29T17:31:36.530Z

I too would be very interested in this. I cannot get the Minitaur and A4 to communicate via CV properly so MIDI out would solve that instantly.
Paying attention to Elektron’s business style over the years clearly shows they don’t like one product to step an another’s “shoes.” I can respect that. However, I am quite disappointed in having a combined total of nearly $3000 invested in an AR and A4 but would still need to spend at least $650 more for basic MIDI sequencing. Every box they have made (except the SID??) has some form of external MIDI except the Analog series. I truly hope they see the need for this feature in the Analog series. As for the time being, I now have my sights set on the MPC Live as I can’t see myself investing in the fairly dated Octatrack or the quite limited Digitakt to round out my hardware only setup.

johngredin · 2017-03-29T18:04:30.665Z

Hopefully, your selfie will be the argument we’ve all been missing to convince Elektron to add midi sequencing support

lemons · 2017-03-29T18:15:08.622Z

johngredin:

Hopefully, your selfie will be the argument we’ve all been missing to convince Elektron to add midi sequencing support

Not sure how they could be convinced… they know everyone wants it but they refuse to dedicate resources to implement it.

nfim · 2017-03-29T19:47:17.218Z

why can’t my toaster make coffee

lemons · 2017-03-29T19:57:10.034Z

nfim:

why can’t my toaster make coffee

If you have nothing to say, why even post?

123alastairj · 2017-03-29T20:06:57.048Z

Oh for God’s sake someone please close this thread.

There. Is. No. MIDI. Sequencing. On. The. Analog. Machines.

It doesn’t matter ‘why’. There just isn’t. Elektron have said they will implement it if they can. It absolutely staggers me that if this was a deal-breaker for anyone they bought the box in the first place.

nfim · 2017-03-29T20:09:01.061Z

To get a rise out of the salty

lemons · 2017-03-29T20:21:14.261Z

nfim:

To get a rise out of the salty

You must be fun at parties.

123alastairj · 2017-03-29T20:22:35.996Z

Probably doesn’t stand in the corner asking why the brands of beer he wants haven’t been supplied on tap for him.

123alastairj · 2017-03-29T20:24:48.926Z

lemons:

they refuse to dedicate resources to implement it.

What’s your evidence for this statement? The fact it hasn’t happened? Or do you have access to their calendars?

lemons · 2017-03-29T20:26:46.565Z

123alastairj:

What’s your evidence for this statement? The fact it hasn’t happened? Or do you have access to their calendars?

Well, Analog Four has been around since 2012, has digital sequencer and MIDI out port, but still doesn’t have MIDI sequencing. Do the math?

123alastairj · 2017-03-29T20:32:08.352Z

What ‘math’? There’s no ‘math’ involved.

The product was never advertised as having MIDI sequencing. The product has continued to sell. It has been updated with several brilliant features - Audio rate LFOs, conditional trigs, polyphony etc.

An Elektron employee has stated on this forum that it is no trivial matter to implement MIDI sequencing for technical reasons and has said that it is possible it will be implemented in the future if they get it to work. He also denied that they are holding back on doing it for commercial reasons - you have no reason to doubt that assertion, because you have no insider knowledge,

Elektron are well aware that there are a vocal minority who wish to see MIDI sequencing in the Analog boxes. Whinging like a baby about it doesn’t make out anymore likely or probable to appear, I should just get over it.

lemons · 2017-03-29T20:40:28.244Z

123alastairj:

Elektron are well aware that there are a vocal minority who wish to see MIDI sequencing in the Analog boxes. Whinging like a baby about it doesn’t make out anymore likely or probable to appear, I should just get ove

Arguing with a fanboy is not much fun but anyway, it’s not a “vocal minority” and Elektron knows this. Simon from Elektron stated here that they are aware pretty much everyone would like to see midi sequencing in A4: MIDI OUT Confusion - #28 by Ess?

This was two years ago and we still haven’t seen the feature even though it would very much be possible to implement. I’ve done the math and to me that means Elektron refuses to dedicate resources to implement it even though it is a very much requested feature. To me, that makes Elektron seem arrogant.