New Rytm : Noise hearable. Is it normal?

dimi3 · 2014-06-28T18:01:36.000Z

""Monopete"":

Hi guga,
it varies because of the distortion and compressor settings. It is always there, but varies in the loudness. When I set the input-gain higher on the octarack then its very hearable. I can put the input gain on the octatrack for the analog four all the way up and master volume of the A4 all the way up and hear nothing.

And the analog four is also a lot louder.

does the sound change when you touch the box?

Monopete · 2014-06-28T18:20:07.000Z

No the sound don´t change when I touch the box.
When I put the main volume on 12 o´clock and turn off compressor and distortion. when Its barley hearable. But then overall volume is to quite when.
I can´t image such noise is normal. Like I said the analog four is absolute quite.

Elektronot · 2014-06-28T18:35:46.000Z

Is there a kit loaded?

Monopete · 2014-06-28T18:57:55.000Z

Yes a kit is loaded. And I tried another one. Guys on which setting do you have the volume of your compressor ? I lowered it to around 40 and its better. But not 100% sure if my Rytm is ok.

toni · 2014-06-28T19:23:01.000Z

is it similar to this (Machines von Pad #2 slot causing noise)?

Elektronot · 2014-06-28T19:34:09.000Z

It takes some experimenting with all the levels to find the sweet spot. There’s some threads in here that will help quickly with tips. Kits are saved with FX and parameter settings. Try loading an empty kit.

Try to rap your head around the machine the best you can. If you still sense somethings not right buy the end of the wknd, contact support with as much info as possible.

Also, do a update and a reset.

Monopete · 2014-06-28T19:35:04.000Z

No, it always there. Even if the machine is stopped. Like it has a really bad signal-to-noise-ratio like you mentioned… Is your new Rytm now so quite like the analog four ?

Elektronot · 2014-06-28T19:40:54.000Z

Hope thats clear, very tired. Good luck. Scan the manual download as much as possible

Monopete · 2014-06-28T19:59:00.000Z

Thank you very much for the tips… I tried all the mentioned things like empty kits and playing with the different levels. But if i bring the Rytm on a good loud level to match the analog four the noise is very hearable. I would assume were can´t be such a noise on such an quality instrument and I have the analog four for comparison. Would like to know if other users also hear noise on their Rytm.

Elektronot · 2014-06-28T20:10:05.000Z

Yes, there can be some air. You could also have a bad machine, it happens.

Monopete · 2014-06-28T21:20:05.000Z

Ok, i think i will drive to my music-shop on monday with my phones and compare with the demo-machine at the shop.

Monopete · 2014-06-28T22:34:22.000Z

I will !

guga · 2014-06-29T14:19:46.000Z

did some check and actually found out that the headphones’ output it is indeed a bit more noisier but it sounds like is related to the settings in the compressor. found also something else of which i’m not sure if is a normal behavior or not, i’ll upload a sample for comparisons

Monopete · 2014-06-29T16:18:44.000Z

Hi,
here I recorded the noise level from the Rytm. It´s playing straight out of the Main-outputs.
The Distoration and Compressor settings are very low. It would be practically unusable with this settings, because it would be not loud enough.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1958965/Rytm_noise.wav

Here is a beat which has good loudness. Making use of some distortion and compression. At the end you can here the noise level ,when nothing is played.

Maybe I´m too picky, but the A4 has zero noise hearable at full volume.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1958965/Rytm_beat.wav

guga · 2014-06-29T18:44:47.000Z

test using the headphones output (main volume knob is in the middle, some of the compressor’s parameters are changed along the way. at around 1.30 i raise the main volume to maximum, compressor mix to 0)

Monopete · 2014-06-29T19:44:18.000Z

Yeah, it´s like mine.So it´s seems normal ? I don´t know. I´m surprised because my OT & A4 are so quite. It´s such a difference. I´m using headphones the whole time. Maybe I hear too much. Really don´t know. I definitely don´t like it much. Would love to be quite like the other machines.

vidnotlaw · 2014-06-30T00:44:27.000Z

I noticed this as well when my Rytm first showed up. When I first got it, I couldn’t listen to it with my studio monitors, so I was using headphones only. The headphones output was very noisy with the volume above the half way point. I was concerned about it, but once I hooked it up to my mixer the normal outputs didn’t have the same issue. I figured that Elektron will hopefully update this in future updates. For now I just don’t use the headphones output directly from the Rytm itself. Instead, It is always connected to my mixer that has monitor out and it’s own headphone out for when I can’t listen with the studio monitors…

mickeyziggyk · 2014-06-30T09:18:14.000Z

""Monopete"":

Yeah, it´s like mine.So it´s seems normal ? I don´t know. I´m surprised because my OT & A4 are so quite. It´s such a difference. I´m using headphones the whole time. Maybe I hear too much. Really don´t know. I definitely don´t like it much. Would love to be quite like the other machines.

Hi Monopete
I have the A4, OT and RYTM.
I agree with you, the RYTM is noisier than the A4 or OT.
And yes, I would expect the RYTM to be quiet like the A4, I don’t understand it either.
I’ll update to 1.02 (I’m on 1.01), maybe that will sort it out as noise is mentioned in the fixes.

Elektronot · 2014-06-30T09:21:38.000Z

Have you guys done a calibration?

_mr · 2014-06-30T10:01:31.000Z

""mickeyziggyk"":

[quote=“Monopete”]Yeah, it´s like mine.So it´s seems normal ? I don´t know. I´m surprised because my OT & A4 are so quite.

I have the A4, OT and RYTM.
I agree with you, the RYTM is noisier than the A4 or OT.
And yes, I would expect the RYTM to be quiet like the A4, I don’t understand it either.[/quote]
But they are quite different.

The OT is a digital machine using only hi-fi D/A converters directly through its analog output amps.

The AF has 4 analog voices going through
[ul]
[li]an analog mixer stage, [/li]
[li]an analog volume pot, [/li]
[li]an analog output amplifier.[/li]
[/ul]

The AR has 8 analog voices going through
[ul]
[li]an analog mixing stage,[/li]
[li]an analog distortion,[/li]
[li]an analog compressor, [/li]
[li]an analog volume pot,[/li]
[li]an analog output amplifier.[/li]
[/ul]

The more, the merrier/noisier.

Also: in the AF, the voices tend to be quite silent when not playing, thanks to their VCAs that end the sounds.
In the AR, the voices are noisier if the VCAs are left open. It can be wise to make sure the VCAs close when not playing, since there is no guarantee that they do just because the drum sounds have ended.