Neuzeit Instruments Drop

I have eight Elektron devices connected to Drop via a Blokas Midihub. The Midihub is a great companion because it provides four USB sub-ports. This setup actually revealed a bug in Drop v1.0.7, but Thomas quickly tracked it down and fixed it in v1.0.8-beta (the next firmware release).

Here’s the way I think about working with a setup like this:
• I treat each MIDI channel as an instrument group, for example, channel 1 = drums, channel 2 = bass, channel 3 = backing, channel 4 = lead.
• I’ve configured Drop so that each control strip (4 encoders, 1 button, and 1 fader) operates on a single MIDI channel. Strip 1 controls channel 1, strip 2 controls channel 2, and so on.
• That gives me four strips for drums, bass, backing, and lead.
• Within a strip, the top encoder is ModWheel, followed by Breath Control, Aftertouch, Pitch Bend, and the fader for Volume.
• All controls are sent out to all eight devices.

On the Digitakt II, for example, I set the first four tracks (1, 2, 9, and 10) to channel 1 so they all respond to strip 1, effectively making them my “drum” tracks. The next four tracks (3, 4, 11, and 12) are set to channel 2 for bass. And so on. This layout can be changed at any time: if I need more drum tracks, I just assign more tracks to channel 1. The four-track grouping is simply a starting point.

I can configure Digitone II and Syntakt in the same way. Those three machines allow per-track modulation setup (ModWheel, Breath, Aftertouch, Pitch Bend), which means I can set the sensitivity to Drop’s controls independently for each track.

Analog Four mk2 and Analog Rytm mk2 can do this too, though the modulation setup is per project rather than per track.

I’m still finishing this setup, so I’m not sure how well it will work long-term, but I hope the description inspires some of you to experiment with it.

The core idea is to treat MIDI channels as instrument groups. Elektron machines make it easy to have multiple tracks listen to the same channel.

With this approach, my Drop configuration never needs to change between songs; only the Elektrons need their Modulation and Channel setups adjusted.

The downside is that parameters like Filter Cutoff can’t be targeted per-track when they share the same channel, so you can’t tweak one member of an instrument group without affecting the others.

Enjoy! :heart:

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Thanks for sharing!
I did the same setup (and kept it as a template) where I had an entire column dedicated to the same instruments groups and each row was controlling Macros respectively for each instrument. While I rolled with it for a few days, I changed to another template I made, which worked a bit better, but still has challenges.
I hope Thomas and Co at Neuzeit will put out a “Tips and Tricks” video that’s more focused on composition and use cases.
While I know Neuzeit recommends to use the Clean Init template and to add controls as they come, when switching pattern sin Elektron devices, we established it does not scale well when switching patterns on Elektron instruments.
I feel like having “static” templates that never need to change from pattern to pattern and locked instrument groups on Elektron boxes is till the way to scale from pattern to pattern. However it also has its limitations.
I will share the “templated” approaches for multi- pattern sets I work with and know of, and hope others have more to share!

MULTI PATTERN SET TEMPLATES

1. CLEAN INIT

That’s the official default starter template for hardware inside your SD card and the one recommended in the manual.
it’s an empty layout with some minimal parameters pre-configured. I read the latest firmware added to it.

:white_check_mark: Pros

  • If you stick to one pattern basically, it’s the most creative, unrestricted approach. Just pick a knob, slap controls, it’s fun!

:x: Cons

  • You had a little too much fun and now your layout is not making sense visually. You can copy over controls to re organize though.
  • You want to start switching patterns on your Elektron device. Even if you keep machines consistent, snapshots keep addressing the same CC#, so you either:
    – wished you could call snapshot layouts from other projects (not doable seamlessly), or
    – Maintain the strictest diligence with your track and instruments in all patterns and better hope they share the same parameters and value ranges. I would argue that at this point, the Drop starts complicating the workflow and now limits creativity to some level.

2. INSTRUMENT GROUP MACRO ARRAY

You need to keep a consistent layout by locking the same macros on all banks of snapshots, and/or controls that are universal to all instruments and their machines (ex: Track Volume).
The programming is an array where your channel group(and color) is the same on each column and the Macros and controls are the same on each row.

Example

The kicks are red, on the Digitakt (CH1,2,9,10), the Red column Encoders offer all macros (Mode Wheel, After touch, Pitch Bend, Breath Controller, Fader controls volume on all kicks.
Same applies for other groups (Percussions, Cymbals/Hats, Bass, Pads, etc.)

Note: You can see I put magnetic labels over the DT2 and DN2 to map groups visually by color and make it match on the drop. Yes, I love colors.

:white_check_mark: Pros

  • It sure met my OCD cartesian requirements…
  • It scales well with multi pattern sets
  • If you want multiple performance macros on the same track groups, this lets you have that.

:x: Cons

  • I would rarely use all macros for all instrument groups, so I was often left with encoders that were not assigned for some instruments, then I would be tempted to assign these to other instruments that could have used more than 4 controls, or instruments I wanted to control individually. Can’t do that or the template breaks on the next song
  • While it sounded great on paper at first, using multiple macros on multiple instruments resulted in more noise than happy accidents and were a rarer occurrence overall. It makes sense for tracks like kicks and drums that always require the same parameter tweaks, but mix FM into the mix and now I entered a deeper rabbit hole where the Drop complicated and slowed my composition flow.

3. MOD WHEEL ARRAY :

Based on the template above, I realize I could go more granular with each track, could pack up top 4 parameters on one macro and have basically have each encoder be the one performance macro for each track.

Example

Encoders: two top first rows match the Digitakt tracks, two bottom rows map the tracks of the Digitone 2.
Faders: Control Volume on each instrument group. ie: red fader controls volume for all kicks.
Push buttons: Call a few Octatrack scenes (Accessory) and some secret sauce ingredient made to work with a Blokas MiniHub.


Note: imaging you have the 16 tracks of teh DT and the 16 tracks of the DN stacked over each other, but controlling the Mod Wheel Macro with the encoder and the Mute Value with the encoder push button, that’s it. Straightforward.

:white_check_mark: Pros

  • It scales with multi pattern sets
  • I have more control over each track, less unexpected effects colliding.
  • I think it is a pro, but some may view is as a con; it forces me to use the elektron controls for more one off crazy variations and build ups with Func+no, while I have one safe perfomance macro to recall snapshots with. I kinda like that balance between the two, working them in parallel.
  • Since each encoder is a track, I can use the push button from the encoders to mirror the status of Global Mutes, see green lights under each encoder. ( I would have preferred using pattern mutes, but for some reason, it will not give midi feeedback ). While you can do that in other modes, this reinforces the logic in my brain that tracks = knobs.
  • But really, it’s the fact that you now save the mute status for each track inside of each snapshot that allows this setup to let me explore patterns before switching to the next one. If you see above, i have 6 blue tracks on the Digitone, these are all bass lines. Snapshots can now bring them in or out at will and have now patterns I can explore for a while, with tons of safe snapshots with multiple configurations of drums, bass lines, pads etc.
    Some snapshots will call all controls to reset some key parts of the song, some will only call specific instrument groups, including their mute status.

:x: Cons

  • Same as for #2, there are a few channels unused, for the same reason that you have to stick to a static layout, but it’s much less.
  • In some cases, I could wish I could trade an encoder to give to controls to one track and none to the other, like having separate delay and reverb on your kick. You can do it if you decide to commit to do it for the whole live set, but nice try, we’re not creating singularities in this perfectly ordered layout… this is where I would maybe get into using Layer B, to add these one-off controls you want to play with for certain parts of your songs

Note that this point, you might be wondering why I did not leverage the controls on Layer B… Well, some people just want it all ready and handy. Flipping pages is the last thing I want to keep track of, even if it’s only 2, because trust me, I’ll find a way to f*** it up in a live set. If there is a way, I’ll find it, so “foolproof in concept” is what I am aiming for here…

If you made it this far, thank you.
If MIDI also has consumed your soul for years and you also gave this types of projects way too much time than you should have AND have recently acquired a Drop, I feel like it makes us all part of a special club and we’re all excited about what Drop can do, that we could not do with two hands out of the box with our beloved Elektron gear.
This product understands me somehow; it knows I subconsciously have no problem and will be happy spending days tweaking controls, seeking perfection and never finishing a song, but it also rewards me for it with creative fun once it’s working.

So now I grab my Digitone 2 or Digitakt 2 on the couch, compose for a while, fill all the tracks, compose some performance macros on the modwheel only, which is scalable enough and doesn;t take too much time.
Then, plug them to the drop and no extra work is required to start performing on one pattern and get the most out of it.
For multi patterns, I program snapshots to call program changes and they land all on controls that use the same CC, the same channels and very importantly; same value ranges (macros are great for that)

:point_right: What’s your way to work the Drop for livesets? Got any self-made templates to share?

Cheers!

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I’ve got nothing to contribute right now but you’re very cool for this

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On dt and dn I do Mutes the classic way. The drop pots control aftertouch, breath and modwheel. The faders are controlling instrument groups (perc low/high/fx and synth low/mid/high/fx)

I don’t have a use for the push buttons yet…. :face_with_peeking_eye:

That way I have to watch out for the Mutes and fader positions (as for the value jumping when switching patterns)
Takes time getting used to, but very playable and satisfying

I am looking forward to control my new push 3 with it as well :heart_eyes:

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Can anyone hit me up with how you get Drop to pass pattern changes through? I don’t seem to be able to make it happen.

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Pattern Changes from Neuzeit Drop, to Digitakt/tone

  1. Assuming you are using a Digitakt/tone and that you added each as “devices” in the drop: Go first to settings/Midi/Sync, and make sure “Prog CH Receive” is selected in Digitakt/Tone.
  2. Then Go to settings/Midi/Channels and take note of which channel is set for “Prog Chg In CH” (mine is set to 16), I did not test with “Auto”).
  3. On the Drop, go to menu/devices, select your device and scroll until you see “Prog Change Pre-Delay” and set it to 1/16th note before Drop. It was noted this is necessary with most Elektron Devices in Neuzeit’s official doc/video.
  4. Now when you save or edit a snapshot on Drop, scroll down until you see a slot to activate. Activate it, select your device(s) ( this is where you add which devices should change together by adding more slots). scroll down and then you see a value going from 0-127 for “Program”.
    Here is how to interpret the value to Elektron patterns:
Drop Progam Elektron Pattern
0 A1
1 A2
2 A3
16 B1
17 B2

Now from my experience, I would add that if you start adding this to a snapshot, you might want to make sure you go back and add the program data to all the other snapshots in the bank, or it’s easy to lose track, especially, if you have multiple electron device you try to change all at the same time. Good luck!

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Thankyou for that most excellent reply!

Thank you for your contribution. I’m using the drop with the tonverk file added to the database and am able to use the preset function in the drop and access all the settings. One thing I notice is that when I have some slots stacked up, moving the control any faster than slow causes the TV sequencer to hickup. Have you noticed this or have a suggestion for me? I have a free weekend coming up and was planning on crafting my fist template.

I didn’t notice this yet, but it could very well be the case. I will check this later today…

J*

Two things that could help as I had the same problem with digitone during beta testing

  • Make sure you started from a clean init. The daw init and some of the other ones come with premapped midi CCs.
  • make sure you don’t have any unwanted midi loopback happening in your settings. Worth it to watch the 30min long tutorial, I learned a lot

I don’t know if theres a soft limit to stacking controls / macros for elektron gear and how it may overload the midi inputs. I had similar issues previously with digitone 1 and ccs when in global mixer control mode that would cause the unit/sequencer to hang briefly and “catch up” later, this was confirmed to be a bug that at least on dn 1 never got addressed.

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How does Drop work with non 4/4 music ?
Let’s say I’m controlling Ableton Live, how does it handle a 8 bars drop if they are not 4/4 and maybe with time signature changes inside the 8 bars…?

I’ve only seen plain 4/4 demos out there.

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Can you upgrade firmware directly into Drop by USB cable or do you have to have an external card reader/adapter??

Thanks. Also when I have tried to map the base setting for the 2/2 filter page on a subtrack it doesn’t seem to work for me. Instead, inputs with this preset cause the spread setting on the same subtrack to slam to a minimum setting. Also I have been back and forth with Thomas at Neuzeit. He’s been great. In addition to reporting the stutter issue with more than one mapping slot I have been battling with the issue of not being able to use the drop with a direct USB-C connection to the TV. I can use the TRSmidi or via USB-C>H2MIDI Pro>TRSmidi. I have been able to use the USB-C ports to connect to my MPC Live III, so it’s not a Drop problem.

Here’s an interesting chunk of feedback from Thomas at Neuzeit:

NRPN uses 3 or 4 consecutive CC messages to transmit a value, and is thereby quite inefficient by design. So it could be that the device just can not keep up.

Two suggestions:

  • Connect your device via USB instead of DIN/TRS to get 16x the data rate.
  • Use regular CC messages by default, and only use NRPN when you hit an audible boundary with 7-bit CCs and absolutely need the 14 bits resolution of NRPN.

Some Elektron parameters also support CC14 for some parameters, which is another kind of 14-bit message that simply takes two regular CC messages for coarse and fine adjustment. Elektron machines have those CC14 implemented where it really makes sense, e.g. oscillator tuning. So that should be a good indicator where the machine can actually benefit from the 14 bits.

For those of you trying to make TV presets work with the Drop, you may encounter some that seem to have no/little effect, in this case, check the Min/Max/Curve settings at the bottom of the Mapping. It seems that with the current Drop firmware, the max setting inherits the 127 setting from regular CC assignments, and will need to be increased to account for the higher resolution. A fun thing I discovered was controlling Tuning on subtracks, and setting the curve to 11 steps. You get octave jumps on the knob -5,-4,-3,-2,-1,0,+1,+2,+3,+4,+5 BUT the sound of the tuning bends between octaves. Very appealing when playing with a couple elements at once (Kick and Hat in my first test)

So far with the limitation of one slot per mapping I can still do a lot and have settled on the following: FadersCC95 for track levels 1-8 set to “Layer A only” so that when I access the second set of knob controls using the Layer B page, the sliders remain as dedicated controls per the settings on Layer A. Knobs set to Mod Wheel, Breath and AT so that I can access the 4 stack macro’s in the the TV. The 4th pot is a wild card, I might use a preset that gives me access to your NRPN controls or I might opt for deactivating the Pitch Bend and co-opt that to access the 4th, 4 stack macro in the TV. Anyway, happy Friday people. Make lots of music. :cb:

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Thanks, I tried the clean init method (but it didn’t work on my TV) and I’ll re-watch the tutorial from the owner perspective now. :cool:

I finally got around to ordering an SD reader for upgrades. Am I correct in thinking I just need the latest one and don’t need to install the previous in order?

Yeah I just jumped straight to the latest. I went with 1.7; nothing in the beta to really tempt me.

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Drop has been ordered and will be with me in January. It’ll be joining my Elektron TV, AH+FX and Polyend Synth. So very very excited to get started, been writing down all my ideas for how I’d lay out controls already. I’ve been absorbing every bit of content on the Drop I can in the meantime. I’ll no doubt do the same when it’s in front of me. It’s going to change everything in the best way. Sure it’ll take some time to get set up and accustomed to it but I’m looking forward to that part as well.

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Are there any other groups you would recommend joining? Like a discord or something?

I only know of this thread of Modwiggler: https://www.modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=294505&start=120

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I just upgraded to the latest complete firmware and now my Tonverk isn’t ‘resetting’. The things with a 1st trig condition play the first time I press start but if I stop and start they don’t play again. The pattern starts again but the conditions don’t. when it was on the original firmware it shipped with it worked as expected. Can anyone suggest something or is this a Neuzeit customer service thing? Cheers