"NEI" Trig Condition idea, impossible?

This idea occured when thinking about my upcoming A4, but I’m currently trying with the OT, without success. But it should be the same on any box.

If you place a trig on the first step of track 1, with a probability of 50%, and a trig on the first step of track 2 , set to “not NEI”, then you have an either/or situation, where only one of the 2 tracks play. Cool.

But is there a way to extend this to more than 2 tracks with the currently available Trig Conditions ?

yes, but not directly referencing the track 1 trig - you can have a cascade where track 3 is a not nei looking at track 2 … so 3 = 1 in that case

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Yes, but I guess @chapelierfou would want to alternate at least another track, hence 3 different trigs, not played together. I already tried without success.

With OT, on one track what you can do is have a sample with recorded silence before, so that you can cut it silently. (Have to test again)

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Yeah, that’s what I experience. Not a “cascade” then !

Yep but the original idea is on the A4 :
4 tracks, same sound in all tracks, but 4 different sequences, then the result would be random fragments of each 4 sequences, but each one at the correct “place” in the bar. Structured random.
If you know Ableton and random follow actions with “legato” enabled, you’ll know what I mean.
Or a bit like the “jump” pattern mode, with four patterns and only one track .

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Yes I see, I did it with 2 tracks recently.

On 1 track you can make 2 different melodies btw. But you cannot record it live, and it doesn’t solve the problem of alternating more than 2 tracks with TRCs.

For A4 I thinking of chords that would block notes because of poly limitations, not sure if it’d work.

Random mutes/solo would do the trick.

Ah direct jump too indeed. And direct jump can be done with midi notes with multi map.

What do you mean ? The FILL pattern would not work here if it’s what you’re referring to.

In my case I was thinking 4 monophonic tracks. Or do you think that Elektron specifically made it not possible to prevent from happening in polyphonic modes ?

It works with 8th and microtiming.

Melody 1 on step 1, %50
Melody 2 on step 2, /PRE, -23 microtiming
Melody 1 on step 3…
Etc…

Limited resolution, you can use scale x2.

I have to try, I was thinking of chords with notes you can’t hear (too high or too low), that would block other notes…
Not ideal anyway.

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Something simple : random arp on one track ! :content:

Eventually record your melodies separately, then record them on 1 track (from another sequencer, midi loop back.

Midi loopback would work I think. Send 4 tracks to another one with random arp.

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Nice idea…
If I get it correctly, you send 3 other tracks to the first track. Track 1 has a random arp so it freely choses 1 of the incoming notes.
But still, no different lengths for notes, no “groups” of notes (the choice would be made for each incoming note"), etc…

I think 4 midi tracks are necessary. CV or Fx track can be used (you can copy/paste track 1 for instance).

But yes, as you can’t plock arp parameters, it is limited.

That is to say ?

Like 3 consecutive notes that would always occur in a row.
I don’t think a per step random choice is super musical. I prefer working with small “units of music”.

I gave it a try with A4. No need for arp with the midi loopback stuff, if the track receiving midi note is mono or unison (not poly). I made 4 tracks with different melodies, set Probability to 50% for all. Seemed interesting to me.
You can set 2 tracks with NEI, 2 tracks with %.

Sampling with OT, random slices !
(In order to keep original melodies and stay in time, you need some megabreak of doom, or randomize slots with external midi.)

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No need for midi loopback, Unison suffice. @avantronica will laugh at me ! :wink:

I made a test with 4 tracks with Probability 25% and Unison. No midi loopback.

Same with 2x2 NEI

Lowest tracks have voice priority (track 1 first). Maybe you can take advantage of that…

(Sorry for smartphone mic recording.)

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So @chapelierfou what do you think about lowest tracks priority ? I guess you’ll figure it out better when you will receive your A4 !

In Unison mode, I think using something like that can be close to what you wanted to achieve :

Track 1 : 25 %
Track 2 : 25 %
Track 3 : 50 %
Track 4 : /NEI

(On a same step position, track 1 have the highest priority, but its notes can be cut. Tracks 3 and 4 are playing continuously (alternatively), so they potentially cut notes; so it’s not perfect)

It’s a bit hard to tell what’s going on from your example (but they’re super helpful though!), I’d have to put my hands on it to really figure it out I guess. My A4 is on its way, so hopefully on Thursday !

I’m not sure how the Mutes work on the A4 (trigger or audio ?) but maybe there’s a way by muting track groups ?

Anyway, thanks for the help !

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No problem, interesting subject for me too !

Trigger mutes, so yes, there is something to do with track mutes, maybe with midi processing (mutes are per channel).

Imho the simplest and closest seem to alternate 4 patterns with Multi Map and its Direct Jump feature* : a random arp on 4 notes played from OT and you’re good (eventually CV/FX tracks with midi loop back and prob, unfortunately no midi arp).

*Multi Map has a specific Direct Jump setting (CHG MODE).

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foiled again… direct jump doesn’t work when multimap is triggering the patterns - patterns always start at the beginning when triggered from a MM key :grimacing:
[edit] ohhh you can change its mode per zone with CHG MODE

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Yep, that’s what I meant. :wink:
At first I wrote Multi Map and Direct Jump, I changed to “its”. I’ll edit again…