Need help in selecting the first Elektron device

plragde · 2023-01-08T21:29:48.811Z

coffeecup.winner:

I’ve just finished reading your FIMS, thanks a lot for writing it!

You’re welcome! And I look forward to hearing what you do with your Digitakt.

obscurerobot · 2023-01-08T21:50:39.624Z

coffeecup.winner:

Ah, I should have said explicitly that I’m not interested in Digitone - with the modular I’m more than covered for FM stuff (and melodic voices in general).

This might be worth examining - not only is digital FM very different from modular-analog FM, but you’d need a truly epic modular system to equal a 4op digital FM synth. Also, a modular system that can do DN FM should also have the Syntakt covered as well.

The big differences between Euro and Elektron are:

quantized, recallable settings
plocking sequencer
compact, low cost

OT and A4 pair well with modular, but you really can’t go wrong with any of the Elektrons.

reeloy · 2023-01-08T21:51:21.057Z

…whatever u choose…their sequencer is always half of the whole thing, an instrument of it’s very own kind and pretty much the very same thing in all of them…

sounds like, u got the sampling planet already more than covered, so i hardly suggest u pick a swedish device where the plock each trig for itself stepsequencer treats synthesis…

syntakt is their mainfocus at the moment and will see the most next new gimmicks this year…
and u’d get truu analog vibes hand in hand with truu new digital synth ideas…all dead simple as universal complex at once…

dokev · 2023-01-08T22:05:59.938Z

Syntakt is pretty much a greatest hits box with aspects of everything (except sampling) in the current Elektron product line, so I would probably go for that. It’s kinda the main reason I don’t have one, since I already own loads of other Elektrons, but it seems like a winner in terms of a My First Elektron because of that.

Roger · 2023-01-08T22:31:48.344Z

Digitakt, Syntakt, or a Model. If Melody is more your thing you could be a little frustrated by the sampler devices unless you have other gear you’d like to sequence.

therockfrog · 2023-01-08T22:40:47.520Z

I’d get an A4. So many ways to use it…great drums. If you ever need a basic sequencer, it can do that. Ambient all day.

I bought a used A4 Mk1 for 600 after having the Mk2 for 6 months and selling it. Just a great deal and the thing is super for so many things.

hausland · 2023-01-09T00:08:55.125Z

Congrats OP on ordering a Digitakt. It is a solid choice for a first Elektron box. The Digitakt is a great and great-sounding device. I use mine for drum duties primarily as well and it’s great for that. Load up a few samples you like and start making patterns with those and get used to the workflow. My tip would be to stick to those sounds for a while and just treat them as “fixed” to each track, so that you can familiarise yourself with the functions of the device and how the parts come together as a whole.

After you start feeling very comfortable with Digitakr’s capabilities, you could then begin sampling & manipulating your own sounds to make things that are uniquely yours and sound up your ally.

Not exactly accurate, but I like to think of samplers as synths that use complex waveforms as OSCs (ie the sample :)), then approach it like subtractive (envelope, filter etc) or additive (add samples on multiple pads, manipulate them, resample the whole lot onto a new track etc) synthesis.

so load something up or sample a sound and consider that the sonic foundation of your further exploration…it also helps to try n forget what it was you actually sampled (eg “this is a handclap”, “this was a C2 on the Moog” etc) and instead really focus in on the sonics of your sample…abstract advice maybe, but it’s the sort of stuff that made me gel with samplers beyond using them as romplers.

Good luck & let us know how it goes and if you need any advice down the line!

reeloy · 2023-01-09T12:45:35.211Z

…if u already decided…and dtakt is actually ur solution to ur question…

then follow hauslands advice at first and get used to plocking just with factory stuff…
whenever u miss melody, have a try on single cycles…also to be found in the factory stocks…
all just klicky micro snippets at first…but once u turn on loop, they all start to make sense and sound like their names…to become amazing melody tools and whatnot…

enjoy ur first elektron device…and besides their sequencer engine, they all got one other thing in common…they all go as deep as ur willing to dig…

djst · 2023-01-09T13:54:06.049Z

I see that you already made your choice (congrats!) but wanted to comment/ask about this one anyway:

coffeecup.winner:

Syntakt - feels like Digitakt but analog/digital voices instead of sampling? This sounds up my valley, but OTOH I’m a bit scared of adding yet another bunch of voices to my setup - learning that AND the new workflow might be challenging.

Not sure what the reservation was here - that it has more 4 tracks than the Digitakt? I don’t see how that could be a probem. Your assessment is otherwise correct, it’s synthesis instead of samples/sampling. It really comes down to being a workflow difference: sample browsing, resampling and sample manipulation vs tweaking synth parameters. They’re two different paths towards dialing in the sounds you want. But it’s also a sound palette question - the Digitakt will be the more versatile choice since you can sample any sound imaginable, whereas the Syntakt can “only” sound like a synthesizer (an incredibly versatile synthesizer no less).

In any case, I think you made a great choice and like @plragde said, it comes with a bunch of high quality samples so it’s not like you have to build your own sample library from scratch to get started.

ghostbuddy · 2023-01-09T13:59:44.523Z

Do you want to work with samples or synthesis? Rytm is in my opinion the best drum machine ever made. Syntakt seems to be like a more groovebox oriented thing, but Rytm has a great sample side so you can do all sorts of things with it not usually available with drum machines.

I’d get a Rytm, honestly. Octatrack is their best device but if you don’t need all the bells & whistles it has and want to work with synthesis, Rytm all the way.

natehorn · 2023-01-09T14:16:21.978Z

Surprised it took this long for someone to big up the AR, although it seems OP has made their choice (and Digitakt rocks!).

AR is the ultimate drum machine - it does samples and has analog engines that can be used simultaneously on each of the 12 tracks - 4 of which are choked (which is a good thing on a drum machine, super useful!). Lots of performance options, cool latching stuff for mutes - has kits! Individual outs also useful, I get the kick out of mine for sidechain on an external compressor. It’s also an excellent bass synth.

I would also consider an OT for a drum machine, stereo samples and the crossfader can be used in so many creative ways - I only don’t use mine as the drum machine because the tracks are too precious (sometimes I do though). If it had 12 I could probably just about squeek it. But I’d consider that a Digitakt+.

Digitakt solid choice though, and much easier to get to grips with and you’ll be making excellent sounding music in no time, it just sounds good.

ghostbuddy · 2023-01-09T14:28:54.455Z

Exactly. Rytm pretty much has EVERYTHING you want in a drum machine. Octatrack is cool for drums I guess, but but… It’s capable of so much more that you’ll at some point start exploring it more and maybe find other uses, which leaves you wanting a dedicated drum machine, hah.

Digitakt is great if it’s what you need. A percussion oriented sampler with great FX and a superb midi side. Now with song mode! I personally prefer both the OT and Rytm to DT and would rather take either one over Digitakt or Syntakt.

Raskal.X · 2023-01-09T16:42:47.566Z

If you already have a sampler and don’t have a drum machine, I would go for Rytm or Syntakt.

Syntakt is my first and only Elektron and I love it.

coffeecup.winner · 2023-01-10T20:39:52.359Z

plragde:

And I look forward to hearing what you do with your Digitakt.

I’ll definitely post my impressions once I receive and spend some time with it

obscurerobot:

you’d need a truly epic modular system to equal a 4op digital FM synth

FWIW I have an Akemie’s Castle which is using new old stock Yamaha IC, but tbh I didn’t spend enough time with it yet to assess the full potential of digital FM - so far I was only able to find a few sweet spots with 2 operators (well op and carrier), but couldn’t get 4-op synthesis sound much different from the 2-op one yet

therockfrog:

I bought a used A4 Mk1 for 600 after having the Mk2 for 6 months and selling it. Just a great deal and the thing is super for so many things.

I’ve read somewhere that A4 mk1 can be found for relatively cheap these days, but I was not sure I’d want a big Elektron machine just yet (I’m a bit space constrained ATM, so have to justify every new piece of gear, especially larger ones).

hausland:

…abstract advice maybe, but it’s the sort of stuff that made me gel with samplers beyond using them as romplers

Great advice actually, same with modular too - I often need to explicitly tell myself to stop treating something as the normal-thing-it-can-do and look for more creative uses

reeloy:

they all go as deep as ur willing to dig…

That’s what I’ve heard Already bought a Synthdawg guide for DT and started reading it when I have a free minute.

djst:

Not sure what the reservation was here - that it has more 4 tracks than the Digitakt?

Hmm, I think that I was thinking that Syntakt required more wiggling to tune in the sound I’d like and DT looked easier to get something decent going, but I can’t be sure without trying either I also have probably just worded this wrong in my original post.

ghostbuddy:

I’d get a Rytm, honestly.

Oh! I actually forgot to write about it I was looking at it indeed, but it’s on the expensive side (a new one seems to be ~2x more than what I’ve paid for a mint used Digitakt), but it did look like an interesting machine. I’m just worried I’d spend so much money and won’t like the workflow whereas with Digitakt it’s easier to accept (and probably easier to sell it if I have to, although not sure about that). I also think I’ve read somewhere that bigger boxes are deeper than the takt/tone trio, so diving straight into that sounded scarier That being said, if I do like the Digitakt, I’ll be looking long and hard at the Rytm

Raskal.X:

If you already have a sampler and don’t have a drum machine

I’ve never had a classic (non-tracker) sampler yet My musical journey is kinda weird - in short, over years, with gaps: acoustic guitar → electric guitar → Guitar Pro → FL with guitar VSTs that got me looking into electronic accompaniment (pads/synths/drums) → synthesis in DAWs → modular → (now) physical groove boxes and non-modular synths to complement what I have (guitars are being somewhat neglected ATM ). In the DAWs I’ve almost never used samples apart from drums VSTs or an occasional background track or a vocal chop, so I have a very limited experience with them I did make a breakbeat track on a Polyend tracker once (which turned out to be amazing for that), hoping DT would also be fun to chop breaks on!

ghostbuddy · 2023-01-10T20:56:20.910Z

coffeecup.winner:

Oh! I actually forgot to write about it I was looking at it indeed, but it’s on the expensive side (a new one seems to be ~2x more than what I’ve paid for a mint used Digitakt), but it did look like an interesting machine. I’m just worried I’d spend so much money and won’t like the workflow whereas with Digitakt it’s easier to accept (and probably easier to sell it if I have to, although not sure about that). I also think I’ve read somewhere that bigger boxes are deeper than the takt/tone trio, so diving straight into that sounded scarier That being said, if I do like the Digitakt, I’ll be looking long and hard at the Rytm

I’d take a second look before deciding, honestly. The Rytm isn’t necessarily deeper than the DT, in fact i think Rytm has less bells and whistles. But it really excels at being a drum machine. 12 tracks of analog synthesis, sample slot per track, analog filters & distortion and separate outputs per track. Also master compressor and i like the FX more, too. I really like the pads, too altho some people say they’re too rigid. Velocity sensitive, naturally which the DT lacks completely.

Digitakt is far less capable as a drum machine and lacks synthesis, but has more features for general use i guess. I would never trade my Rytm for a DT.

Raskal.X · 2023-01-10T21:06:05.801Z

I’d YouTube the process of chopping anything on the Digitakt. As far as I know, it is really not made for handling loops. It’s more of a one shot machine.

ghostbuddy · 2023-01-10T21:07:26.072Z

It handles loops fine! Chopping is easy and fast. But no slices which is a bummer.

Raskal.X · 2023-01-10T21:15:04.651Z

Yeah, but not in stereo and with no time stretching? Also, only 8 chops? I guess you could p-lock start points, but that’s tedious and annoying.
No shade on the Digitakt, just saying they’re better tools for chopping samples.

ghostbuddy · 2023-01-10T21:16:41.319Z

Yeah, it lacks functionality for sure. But, it’s fun to make loops with, even if it’s quite rudimentary.

Not that Octatrack is good for loops, either.

Mrintact · 2023-01-10T21:20:51.934Z

Yeah just grab a RYTM MK1 if you can’t afford an MK11 it’s still a beast and can really create full tracks it forces you to be very creative and can do more than you think… Always.
Individual outs are great too.