I just saw the news about this new “sound pack” but I was wondering, what is the point in buying a “sample pack” that should sound like samples from a sampler for a sampler?
LOL, I think it’s cool that they keep releasing packs for people, but I was kind of thinking the same thing. Advertisting how good another sampler sounds with sounds meant for your own sampler.
Oh well, I guess it really doesn’t matter how they make them or what they call it, as long as it sounds good I suppose that’s all that matters. (I have not heard them yet myself))
that’s not actually true. sure you can match sample rates… but it isn’t going to sound the same as sampling something INTO the MPC 60s converters… or any old drum samplers converters… emu sp1200 etc. and then making sounds that then get played OUT of the machine’s DA converters as well.
the chips involved… the gain staging etc… there is a reason some people still look out for those older machines… they sound different… some people find that sound appealing
saying that matching the sample rate is the same is just not the case… sorry… that’s like saying every AD/DA converter is the same when set at the same sample rate/bit depth. … which of course also isn’t the case.
i haven’t listened to the content of this sound pack so cannot comment on that. but gold baby has a wide range of sample packs. i have the SP1200 pack they did a few years back… lot’s of great stuff there.
but sooner or later someone will come up w/a convolution plug in like plogue’s chipcrusher which models old sampler converters and we’ll have a different discussion.
Actually there are a number of impulse responses from older samplers floating around already Just search MPC60 Impulse Response and fire up your favourite convolution reverb plugin.
I think in this case the process that was used to create the samples is incidental; the guy behind Goldbaby has a shed-load of old school hardware and he uses it it to make his samples - sample something, record it to tape and then sample it again etc. etc.
Sure, it’s interesting and it makes for a good story, and leads to discussion, but ultimately what he’s producing is good usable samples, and that’s the point.
When I’m not twiddling knobs on hardware, I work a lot in Reason, and I’ve had a couple of Goldbaby’s ReFills for years, and they’re easily my go-to sounds for building kits in Kong and ReDrum.
I haven’t bought this soundpack (mostly because I’ve already sampled a bunch of Goldbaby sounds into my OT as 64 hit chains!) but I reckon it’s likely that the pack contains a bunch of quality, carefully selected samples that you’ll be able to do stuff with.
I agree…
I will not argument if he used the mpc branding… to get more people to find it… (lots of folk google for things like mpc) … but in the end… the fellow just has a good way of making good samples i hear an awful lot of good stories about…
and yes, the story behind it… is a “unique selling point” … worthless to me as a musician… but valueable as a salestool… I wish i was as smart as him…
does remind me a bit of pimp my ride.
Yo dog, i heard you like samplers. I put a sampler on your samplers sampler, so you could sample your samples on from your sampler to your sampler… /me spins the rims and honks the horn…
…once again it’s another (sampler) bandit
Fiending at I and I can’t stand it
Wanna be down with the Day-Glo
Knocking on my door, saying, “a yo yo”
Knocking on my door, saying, “a yo yo”
“I can play a funky new tune with a fly fader”
I can’t understand what the problem is
I find it hard enough dealing with my own biz
How’d they left me and my number (60)
Then I stop to think and wonder
Bout a plan, yo man, I gotta step out (to others too)
You wanna match me up? Take my number down
It’s 6060-6060
I´m an sampler machine that can talk to you
It goes
Hey how ya doin’
Sorry I can’t get through
But leave my MPC sounds in your OT channels
And I’ll get back too
As a matter of fact I´m listening to De La Soul Is dead right now.
Yeezes, what a long-forgotten hidden gem!!!
I did have that album on cassette in my youth (because of Ring Ring Ring with its funny video and good music). I remember me and my brother listening to it in the car when my family drove long for vacation. As I listen to it now I remember that I (subconsciously but) instantly recognized the brilliant grooves they´ve got in the tracks. Back then I had no single clue of what sampling was all about (even if I understood the basics behind it).
I was at that time and still are into music, with main instrument being guitar. My “connection” to the OT comes from the looper perspective, but Single Cycle Waves and SoundPacks makes me really understand the potential of OT and me wanna explore the sampling world now…
Listen to that album and tell me you´re not getting at least any idea of a sampling you´d like to have in YOUR music somewhere? It sure does for me anyway and new nor old school hip hop isn´t even an genre I “care” much for.
That album, however, proves me once again today that good music is good music. Whatever that makes you nod your head, really. Sorting it into different genres, risk you from never detecting it as such because of the bad music within that genre from every now and then “distorting” your radar…
@Rael, tune us in to your results of the inspiration when aviable!
Totally agree, for the purist there is only one option. Part of the charm of these old samplers is their approach to dealing with pitch shifting, time stretching, and the timing of their inbuilt sequencers. No impulse can capture that!
This is a provocative question:
The argument people are pointing out is the “AD/DA converter” in the Akai Mpc-60.
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On the other hand, when you load this sample pack into “Elektron Octatrack” then we will experience the samples going through the Octatrack’s filter and through Octatrack’s AD/DA converter to output, am I wrong here?
By that, I will consider that Octatrack would never manage to sound like “Akai Mpc-60” because Octatrack will also chew on the samples in the end, right?
No filter, no AD, just DA which is pretty damn clean.
Not to say it will sound exactly the same though either. Lots of mojo at play, components, internal mixing, gain staging, ect.
What’s so difficult to understand about “a sample of a sampler”? Some samplers color samples in a certain way- that some producers (Hip-Hop, especially) keep going back to over and over.
The OT plays back 24 Bit Audio. It doesn’t color up things sampled into it (unless you want it to) because it doesn’t have to. But throwing samples run through the converters and filters of classic samplers gives the OT a piece of their character.
Useful stuff with the SP1200 pack (I’ve almost bought an SP1200 a few months ago, but I resisted and bought the pack instead =) I have a feeling I’ll cave in one day, because it’s an irreplaceable item- nothing sounds like it.
I already have a bunch of Goldbaby MPC 60 samples: are they different than the on Octatrack sound pack?
Just search MPC60 Impulse Response and fire up your favourite convolution reverb plugin.
