MPC Live & MPC X


#4814

ok, so i went and fully tested every fx in standalone.
test was - in drum program i choosed same fx to pad a01 on 4 inserts. and then copied a01 pad to a02,a03,a04 to make 16 instances of chosen fx.
turned out almost all fx take really small amount of ram, some a bit more, but nothing special.
and only xyfx and delays was the big ones.

delay analog sync 16x - 24% ram meter
delay sync 16 - 24%
delay tape sync 16 - 24%
delay mono sync 16 - 13%
delay analog 16/ delay HP/ LP/ pingpong/ stereo/ - 8%
delay multi tap 16 - 5%
delay mono 16 - even less, smallest ram

xyfx - beat repeat lpf (or any other preset i guess) - 4x = 23%. 16x = 90% ram

so yeah, use them carefully. hope akai will fix this, cause i don’t know, why sync delays should eat so much ram…


#4815

Thanks for the findings!Have you posted this to the AKAI devs?


#4816

yeah, i sent it to Dan on GS


#4817

Just make sure you get a long enough return policy if you decide to get an MPC live. MPCs are totally different from elektron gear. But what is hood about the MPC, is that one usually knows very early on whether they can live with the MPC workflow or not.

Turning sounds to MPC keygroup programs is a breeze now but as the modulation capabilities are very modest, this will not be a viable approach for all kinds of syntesized sounds. However, combined with the realtime resampling, you can certainly get a workable compromise to most cases. Resampled loops can also be played back in either clip or drum programs, so you do not have to sacrifice those prescious 8 audio tracks either.

As for velocity, not sure what you mean here? the pads as well as the sequencer support velocity and aftertouch (although you can disable aftertouch to save MIDI bandwidth)


#4818

Yeah- I played around with an MPC X in a GC earlier this year- and the workflow wasn’t quite as intuitive as I would have hoped- will definitely take some getting used to- but the features and strengths it offers are enticing enough to try to learn- return policy will definitely be something I look out for whenever I make my purchase.


#4819

I suggest trying to conceptualize the MPC as a MIDI looper of sorts. So you have a loop that has a time signature, BPM and a bar lenght. Then, from an empty sequence (MPC name for patterns), you start loop playback with the metronome on. While the metronome plays, feel free to experiment with different programs to find what you want to play into the loop…

Next, decide the “grid” for the first event recording pass you want to do. Ok, let’s start with a simple 16th hihat pattn, so we will set recording grid to 16ths. To do this, hold down NOTE REPEAT and select the “16th” value, then let go of the NOTE REPEAT button. Now your rec quantization grid is set to 16th notes… so, playing along with the metronome, hit OVERDUB at the point where you want to start recording events (my preference is hitting overdub just before the loop resets in order to be on time for the first downbeat when the loop resets). If you fuck up the event recording, dont worry, just press UNDO once and try again… Once you are happy eith the recorded events, press OVERDUB to exit event recording.

You can add as many overdubs as you like, setting the rec quant grid before going back to overdub with NOTE REPEAT like above. For recoding totally unquantized into the loop, hold NOTE REPEAT and press any time division until the light goes out on it (this neans unquantized). You can also erase any events from the loop by holding ERASE and then holding a specific pad in the exact monent where you want to remove notes at.

While all this is happening, you can double or halve the playing loop on the fly from the main menu (sequence sections pencil icon). Doubling the loop works like on the elektrons ie, events will automatically copypaste themselves into tye extended lenght.

For recording stuff in more layers than one, just jump to the next track. Everything you do on this track (besides sequence doubling/halving) will now only record onto this track.

This workflow becomes gloriously efficient if one has an MPC with a footswitch control connected to OVERDUB. you can just play whatever and start recording/overdubbing on the fly. Such a shame only the MPC X supports footswitch ctrl (old MPCs all did this)

There are 16 submenues for all the stuff not related to the sequencer side. Access these 16 menus with MENU + pad. Once you have used this for a while your muscle memory kicks in and jumping between things like TRACK MUTE and PROGRAM EDIT becomes a breeze.


#4820

People say the OT takes time. I’d say the MPC takes longer. But once you get used to it…it’s pretty fast and powerful.

I’ve done a few tracks with it. A couple have come out on vinyl.

Sequences are made of tracks.


#4821

Cool! Thanks! I like sound design on the Elektrons, but I think I’ll like arranging better on the MPC.

Plus the fact I would be able to easily grab sounds from my computer or from my hardware- load them into the MPC, and be able to arrange/rearrange them on my bed/couch just sounds totally necessary.


#4822

The tech of the MPC Live is pretty crazy considering what’s currently out there in the sampler/drum machine range.

I respect the machine simply for how advanced the technology is. Pretty crazy.


#4823

I think getting a basic loop going on the MPC is way faster than on the OT, but getting to know it properly might take longer


#4824

I am the opposite, I couldn’t stand the octatrack. Any feature I didn’t use in a week I had to re learn, nothing was simple or intuitive making using it for more than a 4 bar loop horrendous.
The mpc is dead easy. But I’ve owned a couple before.


#4825

Btw - the new synths on the MPC sound really good. Some interesting little quirky features in there too.


#4826

I tested the synth yesterday and found them OK, but “sound really good” is definitely not how I would describe it.

TubeSynth’s filter is barely usable, sound terrible when filtering more than the high end.
Effects at the end are just as bad as the internal MPC ones, especially chorus and reverb.
I would never use Bassline for acid stuff, again the filter is not up to par with … well, everything else I have which can be used for acid.

Overall, I’d say the sound is in the cheap VST territory, good to have for utility sounds but unlikely to be used as a “frontline” sound, as far as I’m concerned. When I see what people like Bram Bos are doing on platforms like iOS, I don’t see why we don’t see quality stuff like that on the MPC platform, but it makes me a bit sad.


#4827

I have to agree with you… Cheap VST territory is spot on. I foresee more
plugins making their way to standalone and more than likely the pay to play variety. Unfortunately I doubt they will be on par, never mind surpass, what’s available on iOS.

It’s cool though if they leave it to developers like AIR so AKAI can focus more developing the OS.

The arp implementation has me hopeful.


#4828

oh come on guys, these are nice synths with lots of parameters! just try to automate them a little, and you’ll see.
also it was really unexpected. i mean, when was the last time you saw synth’s on sampler? dual vco on rytm? :))


#4829

I did spend an evening on each synth and gave it my best. Either I suck at using them (quite possible indeed) or they simply suit you better than me. Not hating though, I sure am glad they made some MPC users happy :+1::blush:

That should be their main strategy IMO. Diluting dev time by unexpected vst’s on top of new (needed) functionality and on top of bug fixing, seems like a poor investment of time & resources. Would be much better to leave capable and specialized devs doing that by opening the MPC standalone plugin architecture and maybe provide small incentives, so Akai can focus on what’s theirs, the quirky OS that also needs quite a bit of ironing (UI/UX improvements, disk streaming, proper automation sequencing, etc).

Wouldn’t mind it if it meant a Model 15 or RippleMaker on the Live :heart_eyes:

I guess in the end I’m really just frustrated because if the MPC was the awesome thing it could be, it would be desert island material. I still use mine regularly, but I wish I could use it more.


#4830

OK, but not everything is about acid or more extreme filter settings.

Honestly, I quite like the new synths, but I’m using them in conjunction with a lot more kit. :slightly_smiling_face:

If you check further up this thread, it’s not just me who quite likes the new synths.

Edit: the other way of looking at the new synths is - sketchpad tools, when working away from the studio. Midi can later be pointed at other external synths.


#4831

It’s a great platform for other vst developers. I hope Akai opens their box for others too and soon we can all play our favourite vst synth via this all-in-one standalone unit. I’m still missing multitimbrality, track switching, also clip player is a little strange but it definately has a lot of potential. Autosampler is a great feature too. Cannot wait for future updates.


#4832

The AIR/AKAI-synths are nice and sometimes could fill a gap, but personally I´m not interested in more synths. I would like to see automation lines in the upcoming update! This feature is essential for me.


#4833

Ditto.

More focus on core sampling and sequencing features.