Mp-201 to control OT?

Elektronauts!
I’ve been looking all over, but having no luck whatsoever. Help a brother out if you can. 2 quick questions-

  1. Will the Mp-201 by Moog work to control the Octatrack (specifically the Pickup machine)???

Here’s a list made by someone from the old forum:

Foot controllers compatible with OT Pickup machine:

YAMAHA MFC10
Behringer FCB1010
LiquidFoot

Foot controllers NOT compatible with OT Pickup machine:

RJM MASTERMIND
TECH21 MIDI MOUSE
TECH21 MIDI MOOSE
DIGITECH FXB4N2
Abacus MIDI foot controller
LEXICON MPX R1
Voodoo Lab Ground Control Pro
Voodoo Lab Comannder
Roland FC-100 MK ii
Peak2005 FCB2N
Peak2005 FCB4N2
Peak2005 FCB8N
Rolls MP128
Randall 4-Button
Rocktron MidiMate
Rocktron PatchMate Floor
Rocktron MidiXchange
Rocktron Midi Raider
GLAB GSC-5
GLAB GSC-3
GLAB GSC-2

** Keith McMillen 12 step (USB ONLY… needs extra hardware)

  1. Can anyone add more choices to this list?

I don’t like the 3 “yes” options listed here for various reasons. Form factor is a main one, they are all huge. The Moog MP-201 is 4 buttons and an exp pedal, pretty much perfect size for my rig, that’s why I want to know about it specifically. In general, any options known would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

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Hey Slaughtrhaus, I will try and figure that out for you in the next couple of days if no one else post the results for you in the mean time.

Thank you sir. Nothing so far for all my digging except your reply :slight_smile:

Unfortunately, the Moog MP-201 will most likely NOT suit you in controlling your OT.

I just had a quick look in the PDF-manual of it. And I couldn´t find any info regarding the MP-201 being able to transmit CCs with specific values.
This is required to be able to use it with your OT and its pickup machines.

If a footcontroller cannot transmit Note Numbers (which the MP-201 can´t). It´s possible to use an specific CC instead to “convert” incoming CC values into Note Numbers which the OT interprets in normal. See page 133 in OT manual.

MP-201 manual MIDI implementation chart reveals that Note Numbers is not transmitted. Transmitting specific CC values are unclear, so I´d assume that it can´t do that…

Ever looked into Midi Solutions? No, specific pedal per se. But nifty gadgets that probably could be used to convert an “normal” footcontroller into an Note Number transmitting controller. It does however depend on your OT control requirements vs footcontroller form factor and etc…

/mike

Well that’s too bad, the Moog was perfect in a few other ways, I was hoping to control a couple moogerfoogers AND the OT depending on the situation. Boo Hoo.
I’m hoping to use the OT exactly as it is used in the Official Elektron Pickup Machine Tutorial video, with guitars and synths. I’m being picky and trying to avoid Behringer lol…and something small would be nice.
I thank you for your reply, and I will go look at midi solutions right now.

Hey thanks Mike, I did try doing this last night with no success and now I know why.

Ok either I am about to actually provide my OT homies with extremely useful information here, or get crushed by massive meteors and go down in huge, depressed flames…

From page 134 of the Elektron Octatrack manual-
“Midi CC’s can be used instead of midi notes when working with pickup machines. If the foot pedal only sends out Midi CC’s, send CC 59 to the autochannel. That CC message will be interpreted as a note on command from the Octatrack. The CC value corresponds to Midi notes. To initiate combo recording for example, send CC 59 with a value of 60.”
My interpretation if the above is in fact true:

  1.        I can in fact use the Moog MP-201 that I wanted, or just about any freakin midi footswitch in the whole wide world, as long as it does CC’s, which I am pretty sure they all do…right?
    
  2.        The compatibility list I posted originally needs to be edited to include most or all of the choices as compatible.
    

Caveat:
In my mind there is no possible way all of you have missed this- somebody else here has seen this bit of the manual and tried it and it didn’t work or something…I just know it.

Here’s a list of the 5 necessary functions and their corresponding Midi notes, apparently you use CC 59 for all of them but use the value of the note-
Start/Overdub: 60
Stop/Loop: 64
Sequencer Lock/Start: 71
Previous Track: 69
Next Track: 68
So could somebody out there with a CC pedal and an OT pretty please try this for me and post their results? You’d be making my day J If you’ve already done it, let us all know how.

I used to have the Moog MP201, and yes it does transmit note numbers, and yes it can control the octatrack just fine. The expression pedal works just fine for controlling the crossfader as well.

If it does transmit Note Numbers, then it´s a bit strange that they haven´t updated the manual. Maybe there was/is an addendum somewhere that I didn´t notice…

/Mike

Yes, that´s the info I was referring to in my previous post. Many (but not all) footcontrollers does transmit CCs. However: the real question is do these footcontrollers transmit CCs with pre-defined max values instead of just 0-127? In my experience: not many.

0-127 can be interpreted as a momentary or toggle ON/OFF (switch) or as a “sweep” i e from a knob or expression pedal.

But in this case you´re only interested in the CC59 but will have to use that same CC for each and every switch but different max values for each control option: namely the values 60, 64, 68, 69 and 71. Which means that each switch that you´ll setup need to be defined as CC59 and 0-value (0=“idle” and i e 60 = start/overdub).

That´s why I recommended the Midi Solution products (especially the Event Processor Plus) because this little gadget will actually allow you to convert midi from any footcontroller into what you´ll need here. Use different CCs on your footcontroller and convert them into the exact Note Number or CC59 (with the exact value needed).

You can even program it so you´ll have an “sequence” of control options within the same switch. Given that you are able to have 32 “presets” (depending on how complex the programming in it needs to be) in the Event Processor Plus. With this there´s a vast possibilities in regard to what kind of control you are able to acheive. You could i e have several totally different control “sequence” options for each PickUp machine in your OT…

:+1:

However, according to Brother_Otho it seems that the MP201 runs just fine with an OT.
I haven´t got the MP201… so I can´t confirm nor deny it.

/Mike

Many many thanks Brother_Otho.
Since the OT seems like it works best with 5 switches, how do you get around there being only 4 physical switches? Hold and release? Or some other method?

Also, let me see if I have this right. I would program the MP-201 to send CC# 48 for the Crossfader and it reads all the way down as “Scene A” and all the way up as “scene B” (or the reverse of this). Is that how this would work? I don’t own the Moog yet, it’s at the top of my list for pedals like this.

I was also wondering if there is a CC for Tap Tempo? I couldn’t find it on the list…

Again I thank you for the good news.
/Slaughtrhaus

Many many thanks Brother_Otho.
Since the OT seems like it works best with 5 switches, how do you get around there being only 4 physical switches? Hold and release? Or some other method?

Also, let me see if I have this right. I would program the MP-201 to send CC# 48 for the Crossfader and it reads all the way down as “Scene A” and all the way up as “scene B” (or the reverse of this). Is that how this would work? I don’t own the Moog yet, it’s at the top of my list for pedals like this.

I was also wondering if there is a CC for Tap Tempo? I couldn’t find it on the list…

Again I thank you for the good news.
/Slaughtrhaus[/quote]
I’m not sure why you would want 5 switches? But anyway I’m using the softstep now as a controller. I sold my MP-201 which i kind of regret now.
And yes, this is exactly how you would program the crossfader CC.
No Tap Tempo via midi, sorry. I really need that as well. I’ve been thinking about getting a separate pedal for that,

If it does transmit Note Numbers, then it´s a bit strange that they haven´t updated the manual. Maybe there was/is an addendum somewhere that I didn´t notice…

/Mike[/quote]
I’m pretty certain it was added in the OS 2.0 update. Just did a search and couldn’t find it anywhere though.

If it does transmit Note Numbers, then it´s a bit strange that they haven´t updated the manual. Maybe there was/is an addendum somewhere that I didn´t notice…

/Mike[/quote]
I’m pretty certain it was added in the OS 2.0 update. Just did a search and couldn’t find it anywhere though.[/quote]
Well, if you got it working with the OT, I certainly believe you. It is good news, but quite odd that a customer seemingly has to figure out all by himself regarding how to program the MP201 to start transmitting note numbers. Must be some info somewhere that we all have missed…

Slightly off-topic but still about the MP201. How was it quality-wise?

I´m thinking regarding the tactile feel of switches and the expression pedal (say in comparision to in example an regular Dunlop Crybaby)?

Many many thanks Brother_Otho.
Since the OT seems like it works best with 5 switches, how do you get around there being only 4 physical switches? Hold and release? Or some other method?

Also, let me see if I have this right. I would program the MP-201 to send CC# 48 for the Crossfader and it reads all the way down as “Scene A” and all the way up as “scene B” (or the reverse of this). Is that how this would work? I don’t own the Moog yet, it’s at the top of my list for pedals like this.

I was also wondering if there is a CC for Tap Tempo? I couldn’t find it on the list…

Again I thank you for the good news.
/Slaughtrhaus[/quote]
I’m not sure why you would want 5 switches? But anyway I’m using the softstep now as a controller. I sold my MP-201 which i kind of regret now.
And yes, this is exactly how you would program the crossfader CC.
No Tap Tempo via midi, sorry. I really need that as well. I’ve been thinking about getting a separate pedal for that,[/quote]
Probably means those 5 values listed:

Start/Overdub: 60
Stop/Loop: 64
Sequencer Lock/Start: 71
Previous Track: 69
Next Track: 68

And you´ve got a valid question there Brother_Otho!

@Slaughtrhaus, previous/next track isn´t really tied to the PickUp machine(s). Since it basically navigates between your tracks (regardless of what type of machine any of these track uses). Your first two values listed are aimed towards PickUp machines. The third (seq lock start) is a “combo control” together with other tracks to have them synced to your (first) loop.

So, it depends on what kind of setup you really need… feel free to elaborate on your thoughts, it would be interesting to hear the logic behind a setup that´s similar to my own.

Regarding that Tap Tempo (midi clock?)… well, ehrm… cough cough midi solutions footswitch ctrl cough cough

(as I said, they´re quite nifty little gadgets… I kinda want every model they´ve got there for myself just because of that…)

/mike

If it does transmit Note Numbers, then it´s a bit strange that they haven´t updated the manual. Maybe there was/is an addendum somewhere that I didn´t notice…

/Mike[/quote]
I’m pretty certain it was added in the OS 2.0 update. Just did a search and couldn’t find it anywhere though.[/quote]
Well, if you got it working with the OT, I certainly believe you. It is good news, but quite odd that a customer seemingly has to figure out all by himself regarding how to program the MP201 to start transmitting note numbers. Must be some info somewhere that we all have missed…

Slightly off-topic but still about the MP201. How was it quality-wise?

I´m thinking regarding the tactile feel of switches and the expression pedal (say in comparision to in example an regular Dunlop Crybaby)?[/quote]
It was very well built. Very sturdy, and quality all the way through. The reason i sold it though, was because programming it was a bitch, and it was a bit buggy as well.
The reason i miss it, is because of its CV capabilities. It can make your moogerfoogers go crazy!

And there it was, the addendum that explains the note functionality:

…And come to think of it, I guess it should be possible to use the MP-201 to tap tempo and have it transmit it as a clock source. Never tried it though!

Sweet!

:+1:

So it got Tap Tempo (for LFO channels, what´s that?) and Midi Sync (Midi Clock with many subdivisions). But they´re not in any correlation to each other?

EDIT: saw your last post regarding this. Would be nice to find out!

/mike

If it does transmit Note Numbers, then it´s a bit strange that they haven´t updated the manual. Maybe there was/is an addendum somewhere that I didn´t notice…

/Mike[/quote]
Confirmed. Use a Gate Channel>Channel Mode Gate>Press Cursor: MIDI Note Out - Value>Save Preset>Edit>Mode.