More noobing: Track starts sampling without recorder trigs

tnussb · 2019-04-07T17:14:04.574Z

clearside:

why would I want to have a playback trig while recording anyway, is that desirable?

It simulates a thru machine with all the manipulation possibilities of the flex machine (well, almost all, because you can only replay what’s already recorded).

Open_Mike · 2019-04-07T17:14:53.641Z

It’s a main feature of the Octatrack and the inspiration of creating it based off of the Machinedrum Ram machines as described in the beginning of the manual, the thing it really does that other machines don’t. It allows for live looping and all sorts of realtime automated live sampling tricks…

Works fine on my MK1 OS 1.25H, I use it in every pattern I have…

pinup57 · 2019-04-07T18:29:47.390Z

Moreover, it doesn’t add any measurable latency over a Thru machine. It’s almost a miracle.

astricii · 2019-04-07T18:30:08.359Z

Yeah this project worked fine on 1.25e so thinking something must have broken with 1.30c

Open_Mike · 2019-04-07T18:45:00.811Z

At this point I’ve read enough on the forum to not update…
If folks would please send in bug reports it would help a lot to get us a stable, fully functional OS…

tnussb · 2019-04-07T18:52:49.321Z

OT MK2 machines get delivered with 1.30D pre-installed for quite some time now (first reports are from Dec/'17).

I wonder why 1.30D got never officially released via the support page for more than a year now (so there are also no release notes available).

Open_Mike · 2019-04-07T18:59:21.774Z

Do you have D? Does it behave this way?
Still I can’t imagine all C users have this happening, I’m quite sure people have been sampling with play trigs involved. Makes me think there’s other settings/order of operations involved…

Still some bugs on 1.25H. Today I switched from a bank/part with a pickup on T2 to a bank/part with a thru on T2 and a one-shot recorder setup, I could not get it to sample. Would arm the one shot, press play, and nothing. Switching to another pattern/part on that bank and there T2’s one shot recorder would sample, then back to the pattern/part that wouldn’t sample and it worked finally.

I’ve reported a similar part switch recorder setting bug to electron and they confirmed…

tnussb · 2019-04-07T19:14:27.435Z

1.30D is absolutely fine. It works as it should especially the bread-and-butter features like recording. Play trigs stopping recording trigs? Nope. Start of sampling without recording trigs? Nope (or better: only when sending special midi notes as listed in the manual). It operates as it should.

So beside the known bugs (pre-sliced buffers, quirks with parts and the one found lately by @sezare56 about CCs getting recorded when they shouldn’t), everything is fine.

So I wouldn’t read too much into these reports until they are reproducible on other machines with fresh projects, too.

Open_Mike · 2019-04-07T19:29:09.780Z

I’m in a sleep deficit lately so I don’t have the strength to do my usual forum search reference posting, I just feel there’s more strangeness reports than before. I keep reading people power cycle and then things work which wouldn’t have anything to do with settings but possibly part weirdness, if the part wasn’t fully kicked in (having to do with how track settings are still active until a trig on that track is reached) and power cycling loaded it fully.

Edit: I would have tried a part reload on the quirk I mentions happened to me today a few posts back, but I had tweaked a part that I liked the saved version and didn’t want to loose the tweaks right then. Actually had the idea to switch to another pattern/part and then back and it worked…

sezare56 · 2019-04-07T19:40:51.938Z

tnussb:

So beside the known bugs (pre-sliced buffers, quirks with parts and the one found lately by @sezare56 about CCs getting recorded when they shouldn’t), everything is fine.

I can’t say everything is fine.
Pre-sliced samples seems to work but some bugs on Rec Setup settings when you change parts for example…

Open_Mike · 2019-04-07T19:41:37.876Z

Those have been there… Especially if your switching from a part with a pickup…

OT Known Bugs & Workarounds Document Octatrack

Brief description of issues: Older: -Switching from a pattern/part with a pickup to a pattern/part with a flex on the same track # as the pickup will trigger the pickup loop instead of flex sample if the pickup was not playing before switching, Confirmed… scene locks from pickup track also may remain on new flex track… Workaround: make sure pickup loop is running before switching, muted if necessary. -Switching from a pattern/part to another pattern/part that has recorder trigs, sometimes t…

tnussb · 2019-04-07T19:45:14.752Z

sezare56:

when you change parts for example…

That is one of the “quirks with parts” I mentioned.

And with “everything’s fine” I meant that the standard features work as they should. No troubles with rec and play trigs. Also no troubles when switching rec sources and basic stuff like that.

Open_Mike · 2019-04-07T20:00:22.884Z

There’s bugs with the conditionals and tempo multiplier which gives me hope for new firmware, the thing they introduced is broken…

Octatrack: The Arranger and One-Shot Trigs Octatrack

Okay I had a look at this where I stripped out everything to narrow it down (no neighbours, no tracks apart from the two to trigger backing samples, no arranger even) Edit: oh and short samples, so this isn’t even about the logistics of long backing tracks This is what I found: Conditional “1st” trigs do NOT trig as expected IF the scale mode is ‘per track’ and the master multiplier is 1/2 or less The trig on the first pattern you play works okay, but not any pattern switched to after that L…

TRCs and One Shots not triggering in Arranger with 1/2 Master scale Octatrack

This is just on the OT. The A4 is only to reference why I’m using 1/2 scale. I can replicate by having two rows on arranger, both 1/2 master scale. the first pass on the second row will not play one shots, “1st” or a “1 of #” like “1 of 2” but it will play “2 of 2.” It’s like the first time through already happened though of course it hasn’t.

I think @clancy might have more bugs for us…
I design my project and workflow specifically to not encounter them, besides today, trying new stuff…

sezare56 · 2019-04-07T20:13:57.347Z

What about this one?

Bug- Midi track LFO setup cc’s sent on audio track midi channel Octatrack

Hey all. Just found a bug in the OT to watch out for if you ever use midi loopback. (EDIT - loopback is not a requirement, but it makes this bug easily noticeable). I thought some of you might be interested in this one because it answers some of those WTF? moments. I was using loopback, and could not figure out why changing LFO depth in the LFO setup page of one of my midi tracks was making an audio track cut out. If IRC, @defenestration was trying to identify some of these types of things. S…

That means if you control a synth with a midi track and change its lfo settings you can also change audio tracks settings. Unacceptable.

Ok that’s midi loopback, but it prooves OT is not finished. And even without midi loopback, I suppose OT sends the corresponding 28-33 CC messages on the channel corresponding to the corresponding audio channel.
I go back to the PO33!

Open_Mike · 2019-04-07T20:16:32.518Z

Traitor!
The flex overlords will not be pleased.
More Octahuasca for you to restore your blind faith!

Open_Mike · 2019-04-07T20:31:21.949Z

tnussb:

When record and play trigs are on the same step you need to shift the play trig with microtiming to the right otherwise you may not hear the live audio. This behaviour looks like it is not recording while indeed it is.

Only for recording OT tracks using the Scr3 setting. For recording inputs you can have the record trig in the exact same spot as the play trig and you hear the recording being made as its happening…

I do keep asking if those with the issue are using Src3?

sezare56 · 2019-04-07T20:32:31.208Z

I record the PO33 with OT.
Can’t bring OT in my pocket…
Just saying some new bugs corrections would be welcomed.

Open_Mike · 2019-04-07T20:34:03.762Z

I know… Let’s get some Octatrack Love please Elektron!

sabana · 2019-04-07T20:55:27.575Z

Surely these are all simple fixes.

Open_Mike · 2019-04-07T20:57:20.171Z

Some have been there all 4 1/2 years I’ve had my OT and I don’t know how long they were there before that, possibly since birth…