Model:Cycles Tips & Tricks Thread

This is What Ive been looking for on the chord machine, maning that with This youbcould play random Chords…

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Little trick to fade out all of the tracks but one:
(1) select the track you don’t want to fade out, (2) press TRACK and lower the volume of all the tracks just a little, (3) release TRACK and raise the volume of the current track back to where it was, go back to (2).

It can become very natural after a little practice, basically you just keep wiggling the volume knob up and down while pressing and releasing TRACK. The same technique can be applied to any other parameter, not just the volume.

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Wow there’s A LOT of good stuff here.

My humble discovery:

Restart pattern. Press play/start with stop button pushed down. It will restart the pattern from the start immediately. Good feature if you like to do these deejaying-kind of loops by hand.

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Really cool - can’t believe I missed that this works on the Digitone too :smile:
Probably on all Elektron machines.

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It’s on page 39 of the manual!

:slight_smile:

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LFO trigger mode via midi CC

LFO Reset via Midi CC works as a LFO trigger mode (Same as Analog Four for example)

  • CC108 value 0 FRE is the default free-running mode. The LFO
    run continuously, never restarting or stopping.
  • CC108 value 1 TRG makes LFO1 restart when a note is played.
  • CC108 value 2 HLD makes LFO1 run free in the background, but
    when a note is played the output LFO1 level is
    latched and held still until the next note is played.
  • CC108 value 3 ONE will make LFO1 start from the beginning
    when a note is played, run for one cycle and then
    stop. This makes it similar to an envelope.
  • CC108 value 4 HLF will make LFO1 start from the beginning
    when a note is played, run for half a cycle and
    then stop.

Example, polyphonic Dual layer kick with half cycle LFOs

I would say HLF behaves more like an envelope, but anyway, this is great!!! One and half cycle trigger modes are great for drums.

The trigger mode can be save inside the presets, the only thing is if you deactivate reset it can not be retrieved.
You just need to save 3 presets as starting points in the Cycles (Hold, One, Half), open them, load the machine of choice and start editing with those new trig modes.

Maybe works in the M:S too. I wonder if there are more hidden midi features…

I hope they do not fix it…:sweat_smile:

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Wow! Great discovery! Hopefully they put it in the LFO menu, I’d love a HOLD LFO that isn’t just random.

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Should be very easy to add, I hope the do not remove it…I guess they just copied the code from other machines. I wonder if there may be any other features hidden from other machines, maybe a second destination?

Now that you say, the waveform is the one you select. just holds the value when the note is triggered. It behaves kind of random, but not a true random though, right?

Yeah, currently without that MIDI CC trick the only way to get a HOLD LFO mode is by running the random shape at 0 speed and enabling the reset parameter. With a repeating wave a hold mode would appear semi-random if running at a speed that isn’t a division of the tempo, but would still repeat in interesting patterns. It’s one of my favourite uses for LFOs on the higher tier boxes :metal:

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I know, I posted it here…:sweat_smile: I am having lots of fun creating polyphonic drones…with extra help is a very powerful synth.

I have just checked it and the trigger mode can be save inside the presets, the only thing is if you deactivate reset it can not be retrieved. You just need to save 3 presets as starting points in the Cycles (Hold, One, Half), open them, load the machine of choice and start editing with those new trig modes

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Just got around to decoding the trick that @mekohler alluded to a while back using this :wink:
Certainly fun to be had although it’s a bit strange on account of the algorithm adopting the current track values for a given ALG swap, so it’s different to changing a track’s machine as this adopts default values - getting sweetspots that work consistently across all the machines is more of a balancing act

It needs a very modest depth to cover the full range and it’s relative to the track machine - so you can change the track machine and get an increasingly weighted random at either end for the bipolar shapes

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Sorry to be a tease, but as Mekolher is not pushing this into his app just in case issues arise, it follows I won’t be sharing more details on this either i.e. no PMs plz - tbh I can sorta see why the destination option was removed by Elektron, but I’d still +1 adding it as a FR although there are better destinations, it can be tamed to do useful stuff and it doesn’t get too crazy as it operates an implicit hold mode, so it only changes per trig although it will also vary on retrig

no CC sweeps are gonna reveal this one, tried that first before attacking the sysex

best to put this in as an official feature request and see what they say, it’s what I’m gonna do to make this less of a hassle, it was at least already in consideration, so it’s 3/4 there :thup:

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Lol. That’s such an amazing piece of engineering.
Never looked into editing sysex…:thinking:

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Uggh not really a tip or trick but just realised that I had overlooked the always on setting for retrig. Having a ton of fun with this and lfo to pitch!

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Yeah, it was a feature request of mine when I was developing the presets :slight_smile: I think it may not happen, but it’s nice to dream!

Great sleuthing, this machine keeps revealing things, almost like little easter eggs :metal:

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There seem to be some features that did not make it to the final release, like machine selection via CC, LFO destination machine and LFO trig mode. I wonder if there might be more of these hidden features to be found.

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maybe, it has been known (a since closed filter adjustment on A4 Mk1), but I doubt there’s a hidden way to unlock attack !

Well, to be fair, i probably wouldn’t have nosed around the sysex for that particular setting if it hadn’t been mentioned as doable

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Well, if they do not add these features I hope at least they do not remove their access via midi CC…:sweat_smile:

I am using the cycles as a 3 note dual layer polysynth with full ADSR envelopes per layer via ableton and max4live…so I am fine :wink: The lack of attack made me find an alternative…:sweat_smile:

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best to keep this stuff quiet then, but i doubt they will remove that particular functionality

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The best thing about forums is to share knowledge, otherwise they do not make much sense.
Maybe we should talk about things we find in gearslutz, so Elektron does not find out…:rofl:

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How to parameter lock different LFO retriggering modes.

In the pad menu set Vdep to 0.

Set DST to “mode”

Set Ddep to 2.

A trigger velocity of 0 to 31 activates free run mode.

A Velocity of 32 to 63 activates retrigger mode. (retriggers the LFO when note is played.)

Velocity of 64 to 95 is hold mode. Current value of LFO is sampled when note is triggered and held until the next note is triggered.

Velocity of 96 to 126 plays a half cycle and then stops.

Velocity of 127 is one cycle and then stops.

Example:

To get an LFO that always syncs to the first note but then free runs set the first note’s velocity to 32 and then on the subsequent notes set the velocity to 0. The first note triggers (resets) the LFO and subsequent notes allow the LFO to free run but always locked to the same phase.

This is good when you want the initial phase of a free run LFO to always be the same.

Example 2:

Set velocity to 64 and enter a series of notes with that velocity. Set LFO destination to affect pitch (as an example). Each note will sample the LFO at a specific point. The sampling rate is determined by the LFO speed and multiplier.

You lose volume velocity with this method but this can be worked around by parameter locking the volume (DIST) parameter.

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