I appear to be dominating the General Discussion section with my various posts at the moment, a bit of a curious chatterbox.
Anyway, this is probably a fairly simple query.
On the offchance that my RYTM doesn’t sell, I’m entertaining the idea of keeping it and trying to work with 3 machines. Being a bit essentialist it feels a bit like overkill, but maybe I could take it off-sale and see how I get on with a trinity.
So, my other machines are Analog Keys (soon to arrive) and Monomachine.
I only have a 3 channel mixer and also have a couple of strymon pedals (BigSky and Timeline)
In terms of rigging them all up, the only thing I can come up with in my mind is something along the lines of;
Analog Keys into RYTM input
RYTM into Monomachine input
Monomachine 3 outputs into the 3 mixer channels, with 2 going via pedals.
The idea being to be able to put the Strymon effects on the MnM or RYTM/Keys as required.
The only other configuration I can think of is to have the RYTM going into Keys instead, and then into the MnM as per above.
This means the RYTM and Keys are both Strymonised at the same time, but I can’t see any other way around it, given my limitations.
First of all, your RYTM will sell. No worries there. I think you just need to decide what gear you want, and stick with it until you milk it for what it’s worth. Just my two cents.
As for routing all of the gear, I think it sounds like you need to upgrade your mixer to something with more channels. It will give you a hell of a lot more flexibility in how you apply effect to certain sounds, and keep other sounds dry, and it you’ll have better control of volume levels and EQing. Lots of advantages to having a more expansive mixer.
Maybe well the RYTM (if you’re not feeling it) and use that cash to buy a better mixer?
yeah, I figured a bigger mixer might be the way to go.
Though I was hoping not to spend any more if I kept the RYTM.
I think your 2 cents is worth aplenty though.
With the Keys and the MnM, I don’t actually feel like I “need”the RYTM.
Given that I’m unwilling to drop the price for the sake of selling it, I was really looking at ways I could use it and maybe keep it in the fold, even though 3 machines feels a bit chocka to me.
Indeed, though I think that temperamentally after much to-ing and frowing I would benefit from some focussed milking of a certain setup.
I have slept on it (not literally mind) and decided that I will be more than happy to work with the Keys and MnM as a pair with the pedals.
I don’t need to freak out about the RYTM not selling as I’m not desperate for the money and can wait until a lucky buyer comes along.
I unboxed it for a twiddle yesterday, and it is a lovely machine, but someone else will have to enjoy it’s loveliness.
The ability to get totally absorbed, lost in your craft - sounds lovely compared to hopping about from one thing to another.
I’m looking into mixer / patchbay options.
Having seen what they have at my local PMT store (and getting a bit of option paralysis) - I realised that it might be a bit much to expect to be able to route each channel of each machine (MnM and Keys) to a mixer channel AND be able to effect them individually with the delay or reverb pedal.
Perhaps that’s the problem though; wanting to have all the bases and possibilities covered.
I don’t want a massive mixer either. I’ll see what’s about.
Wowzers, I just tied my brain in knots.
I had a bit of an “oh heck” moment this afternoon, when I realised that routing the Keys through the MnM would mean that all four tracks of the Keys would be affected by whatever was happening to the MnM input).
So for the Monomachine / Analog Keys combo, theYamaha MG124C looks like it could be a canny choice. This is the first time I’ve considered routing all the outputs of both machines into individual channels (making 7 in total).
If anyone has any good mixer suggestions for such a purpose (3 stereo out from the Mono and 4 from the Keys), I am open to suggestions.
Given the overview, I’m thinking a mixer is going to be in order.
I only really need 8 channels max (for if I ever decide to factor in my OP-1).
Looks like something with 2 stereo sends would be required (for the Timeline and BigSky), though that might not be possible for something that isn’t massive. Otherwise I’ll just have to chain the effects or use one or the other, which isn’t a massive deal I suppose.
Just spotted the Mackie ProFX8 from another discussion.
Looks like it could be a contender with the Yamaha MG124C. Samson SM10 has also joined the party…and would be a space-saver.
I’ll hit the hay and see how it all fares in the morning.
Given the overview, I’m thinking a mixer is going to be in order.
I only really need 8 channels max (for if I ever decide to factor in my OP-1).
Looks like something with 2 stereo sends would be required (for the Timeline and BigSky), though that might not be possible for something that isn’t massive. Otherwise I’ll just have to chain the effects or use one or the other, which isn’t a massive deal I suppose.
Just spotted the Mackie ProFX8 from another discussion.
Looks like it could be a contender with the Yamaha MG124C. Samson SM10 has also joined the party…and would be a space-saver.
I’ll hit the hay and see how it all fares in the morning.
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As someone who almost bought one of the ProFX mixers, it is worth noting that if your goal is to be able to ultimately track into the computer via USB, you can only send stereo over USB, not the individual channels. This may or may not be an issue for you tho.
I have the Mackie pro fx8 and love it. Great quality, and good price. It even has some decent onboard effects. Nice feeling knobs and faders too. Plug and play via USB to computer. Easy!
I don’t work with the computer so the USB thing wouldn’t apply.
Currently looking at previously unchartered territory of line mixers, but the ones with 2 stereo sends look massive and I don’t have a massive space, physically or mentally (20 packs of cigarettes used to freak me out).
Thanks for all your kind help so far.
It’s good to be able to bounce stuff of willing advisors.
Given that the Analog Keys separate outputs are stereo, I assume that in order to do the outputs justice, they would need to be fed into a stereo input.
Therefore, if I want to have all the outputs from the Keys and MnM independently out, then I’m going to need a mixer with 7 stereo inputs.
It appears a compromise might have to be made in respect of also having 2 stereo returns on such a mixer, unless I bought something massive.
It’s looking that such a compromise would indeed be a rack line mixer such as the Samson SM10 or similar.
Looked around Norwich’s 2 half decent music shops but nothing jumps out at me.
The search continues (I have to make the purchase before 2015 arrives).
At the risk of talking to myself, but for the sake of completion of the sort of thread which someone like me might look up in the future thinking “I wonder how…”
It seems as if the Mackie 1402 VLZ4 fits the bill just nicely.
2 Sends and enough channels to plug all the outputs from the MnM and Keys.
It might be a bit unorthodox, but I can put the MnM outputs across channels 1-6 (with 2 faders for each output) and then put the individual Keys outputs across 7-14.
Of course, that’s only one possible combination using the two machines, but it seems like a great way to bring them together for starters.
First,
don’t sell the Rytm. I started out a bit negative about the Rytm but I have come to love it now to the point that I would easily sell the Mm instead. (obviously personal preference).
Second,
Analog mixers suck. I have owned a Soundcraft Spirit 16, Yamaha mg12 and mg16-6fx and some 16 channel Proton thing. All have been detrimental to the quality of sound. I think you have to pay way out of this price range to get a good analog mixer. (Allen and Heath) etc…
Suggestion,
keep the Rytm.
Sell your current recording interface and get something like this instead…
Presonus Studio live 16.0.2.
That mixer is a thing of beauty.
But the pricetag would require something to be sold in order to finance it.
Given that my recording device is a Zoom H1, well…
Also, given that I don’t do much on the computer (music-wise) I wonder whether its features might be a little wasted on me.
Regarding the sale of the RYTM. I am basically “essentialising”, keeping to 2 machines if possible, and in this case I am favouring the MnM and Keys.
It’s not that I don’t appreciate the RYTM and what it has to offer, it’s really a matter of what is drawing on one’s attention at the time.
(I also get a bit neurotic about owning too much gear, but that’s something of a temperamental side issue - one man’s “too much” is another man’s “not enough”)
If I don’t push the sale then it might end up sitting in its box in a cupboard until some such future date as I decide to bring it aboard again. But if it does sell, I will be happy for it to get aboard someone else’s set up.
My friend runs a small commercial recording studio with the predacessor to this one at the center. (16.4.2). The new one is a lot more compact. I like it.
He records everything from sax, pianos, vocalists to rock bands and rappers. It never fails to produce great results. The built in reverb and delay sound very nice and ‘expensive’ I have an Rme Ufx and I can’t tell the difference between the quality of recordings.
That said, it is a little pricey but for what it does it’s quite cheap.
