Bus and group surely the same in this case (bigger consoles might have vca groups as a term as well).
Don’t know about the mixer you suggest, will see if I can check later today.
Edit: quickly checked and 22mtk’s got the same as 12mtk - 4 mono/2 stereo buses. So, no, it would probably not satisfy you.
Cool, thanks for the reply. These stereo busses? Could I use them?.. Just trying to wrap my head around this, its proving difficult…
It’s 4 mono or 2 stereo - you’d probably use them as 2 stereo
Does this desk have the thing you are on about? https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/163329503911?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Dfa46c396e4814ea0b83e6521c1891598%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D30%26sd%3D163342992473%26itm%3D163329503911.
Do you think it would work for what I want?
Unfortunately not, but this one’s a killer:
Cool thanks mate.
Just to clarify… What is it exactly that I need to record my Pedals in wet (seperate channels) without it recording all to one channel on ableton?
A pedal usually has one input. Whatever audio you put through a pedal will be affected at the same time. In order to affect 2 or more audio streams the pedal would need 2 or more inputs and outputs, and be designed to process more than one audio stream. You can’t just run multiple tracks into one input and expect the device to know what track is what after it has already been combined and flowing through one cable, and you can’t expect more than one separated audio stream to come out of one output…
Picture an audio cable as a hose of running water. If you connect two hoses to a little connector that combines them and just has one output for another hose, the output hose would be a mix of the water in both input hoses, anything on the other end gets the combined water, it can’t be separated at the end it comes out of because it was already mixed… To keep the 2 hoses water separate they must never be mixed into one hose.
What you seem to be looking for is a mixer that has built in channel/insert fx for every track. Most mixers have send effects where the tracks are the hoses and the fx are the box that combines them and puts them out one hose effected. Track channel/insert fx would be that every track/hose has its own fx and never combines them into one…
I don’t even know if they make those, they probably do. Or you can think about and study these behaviors, get advice from others on here, and come up with a workflow that doesn’t require such a device…
Ok, in your case I would probably do it like this:
This would allow you to blend signals to pedals and then just record the blend of that output through the bus direct outs.
Hope this helps 
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Okay, thanks very much for that. I reckon I need to do a little studying…
While this is a manual for a Yamaha mixer, it contains good general information about mixers. Theres is also a part in the beginning that has some good information on aux sends and insert effects
Connect your pedal input to aux Sends,
output of the pedal to one of the tracks on the MTK
you can then record your dry signal on 1 channel and your pedal output on another… …
for more pedals just get the mtk 22 … its got more aux sends
Not sure if this would solve my problem, ill give it a bash though. Not really wanting more AUX, think ill be sticking to the two pedals for the near future. It’s just im needing more channels for the outputs of my RYTM and other instruments.
Ideally im just trying to find a way to multitrack and record wet without it all recording to the one channel on Ableton. Or having to solo everything untill I’ve recorded in a wet 200 bar loop, its not really the way im wanting to work. Ill get there!!! Cheers for your input.
Ill give it a read, cheers for that.