MC 707 / 101 : Roland Grooveboxes

The Juno X, too. Four part multitimbral + rhythm in stacks or splits or via i-arp.

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On the 101, is there a way to change the MIDI note that triggers a pad in a drum kit? I find these assignments:

pad = MIDI note
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1 = 37
2 = 39
3 = 42
4 = 46
5 = 49
6 = 51
7 = 54
8 = 56
9 = 36
10 = 38
11 = 41
12 = 45
13 = 48
14 = 62
15 = 63
16 = 64

I’m having a hard time figuring out the knobs value function.

Example: If I change a value, let’s say vibrato time ona specific track and with a specific preset sound, if then I change preset on the same track the modified vibrato value seems to apply to every sound I choose from the presets… Is that normal behavior or I’m missing some setup/menu somewhere?

I’d like to have a vanilla preset every time I change one, not matter knob positioning/modifications I did earlier. I’ve setup catch knob mode, but it doesn’t seems to have an impact on the behavior in the above example.

Help! :slightly_smiling_face::pray:
Thx

It certainly happens with the filter knob - it honours the current position when changing a patch. This can mean that some patches sound very dark (or can’t be heard at all) as you browse, until you remember to reset it. The upside is you rarely get caught out by sudden jumps.

Yeah, that’s what exactly happened here. I have all the patches all over the place. There’s a general reset for the knobs? Or I have to hunt down one by one? And what is the reset position?
That’s very very weird! I mean, you have to reset all the stuff you touched everytime you want to audition a sound? And what about different clips in the same track? They all share the knobs position?

Sorry for the wall of questions but this is a major letdown for my workflow, and doesn’t make any sense to me

I think the knobs reset at 12 o’ clock?

It feels a little odd, I was surprised as well. One cool thing though is that you can e.g. tweak filter, resonance and release when previewing a patch, to see if it will fit the mix, before comitting and loading it.

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Yeah, just turn to 12 o’clock for bipolar features like the default filter, and fully CCW for sends etc. iIt’s double-edged, I think. It often catches me out, but it’s also useful sometimes to leave something like a delay send active as you browse. Beyond that it’s the classic battle of endless encoder vs. regular pot. I think alongside the faders, the 707 knobs are a good choice. Everything is WYSIWYG, which can help when you’ve got multiple tracks on the go.

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The knobs on most (all?) ZEN-Core performance parameters are offsets. So by having the knob all the way down, you’re not actually setting the filter to zero. You’re offsetting whatever its value in the patch is by -127. So to “reset” it to its original value in the patch, you just set the knob back to neutral.

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i put my TR8S and MC707 into my Octatrack, can recommend, good start…

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Thanks. So to reset all the knobs I have to scroll every one in the knob assignment menu and position to 12 o’clock. (amd send to ccw as per NickD post) Still can’t really understand how you can work with this behavior if you jump from a clip to another one in the same track, but with a different sound in it. Sounds so illogical to me. They could have put at least an option somewhere to change this weird behavior.

Maybe I just need to get used to it, we’ll see. Thank you all guys for clarification.

@isaac_anthony
Yep, I though about that, but having a mixer with a lot of I/O and busses I’m still defining the best routing between the two Roland and the Octa, as I have also an Analog Heat and a nABC+ compressor, and I’d like to be able to send everything everywhere, but that imply pen and paper, and probably some headaches along the way…

Edit:
Found this in the reference manual

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I quite like the fact that the knob and fader keep the position between the same row.
Yes it’s different than lots of hardware.
But used to it’s advantage it could be really good thing.

Imagine you have some part of drum track on track1 you want to hide it for a moment in the mix. You have the choice of the fader or the cutoff to do it.
You move to the next line for track 1.
And you bring it back smoothly with the cutoff or more brutality with the fader.

It remind me a bit the way kit works on the Elektron. Sure it need to be double think before. And your transition need to be think for that. But on my side I like specifically that behavior.

The way DT/DN/ST works for example need lots more thinking for transition or brutal mute/unmute which is not what I like to do.

I can see the advantage, but that is restricted to “main” parameters, like an fx or a cutoff, but when you change a sound design parameter, like a vibrato a decay or one of the syscontrol, that could quickly lead to a mess, especially if you swith between much different sounds.

And of top of that, this behavior instantly kills the opportunity to switch knobs assignment between different sounds, because if you change let’s say a decay on knob1 and then switch to another sound where you need a different parameter on thag knob1, you need to reset the decay first, and then assign the new parameter to that knob.

I guess a workaround for me could be to assign the main parameters to the 5 assignable encoders on my Pyramid (cutoff-reso-verb-delay-mfx) and then using the 3 track knobs on the 707 for parameters strictly bound to the type of sound on that track and group similar kind of sounds on the same track (only pads, only leads, only bass and so on)

Or the other way round: fx sends on the 3 707 knobs and cutoff/reso/syscontrols on the Pyramid encoders.

But that sounds very limited to me, and would probably be easier to change sound design stuff within the edit sound menu and leave the 3 encoders for more generic stuff like sends or pan and stuff like that

When I plug the 101’s USB port into my mioXM MIDI hub, it doesn’t show up as a USB device in the mioXM. Shouldn’t it? Is there some setting I’m missing?

Set the USB to Generic setting.

I’m new to the 101—where do you mean exactly? I don’t see a relevant setting in the Utility menu. If you mean the mioXM, it doesn’t even list the 101 as a connected device that you could assign to one of its USB ports.

Here you go:
Shift and Utility (Filter).
Scroll value knob until System.
Push in the Value Knob to enter System mode.
Push the Value knob again.
Scroll clockwish until you get to USB Drv.
Push the Value knob again.
Turn the Value knob until it says GENERIC.
Push the Value knob again.
Push the Exit button till you are out of the System mode.
Turn your unit off then on again.
Now turn your unit off again and plug in the USB cable into your MC-101
and into your mixer.
Now turn the MC-101 back on.
That should work if its going to work.
Good luck.

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Thanks, that totally worked. Is it documented somewhere? I downloaded four MC-101 manuals from Roland, but I don’t see that.

Also, I wanted to load MIDI files, and I had to guess from error messages and inspecting the card that I had to create the /ROLAND/GROOVEBOX/MIDI directory manually and had to use .mid for the file extension, not the .midi that another app creates for me. I would think Roland has documented this stuff somewhere rather than expect the user to deduce it.

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@blipson Download the update manual too, it has all the added features documented:

Also here is my cheat sheet which might come in handy:

MC-101 cheatsheet v1.0.pdf (35.4 KB)

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d’oh! I had everything but the update docs because I assumed the latest manual would incorporate all current info. What a pain to keep track of the device’s functionality if it’s spread over numerous update manuals.

I’d also like to ask how to get the 101 to respond to pitch bend info in a loaded MIDI file? I load my own MIDI file that includes many notes with pitch bend via the browser, and it plays the track fine, but all pitch bend info is ignored. The right MIDI note gets played as an exact semitone with no modification. I tried setting the Bend Range part parameter in the tone setting to different numbers and “TONE,” but nothing works. Any suggestions how to get a track to respond to pitch bend in its MIDI?

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FWIW the latest update manual includes all the previous ones too, but yeah it is a pain that they don’t just incorporate it into the main user manual.

I never used PB with mine so can’t help there, maybe someone else can chime in?

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