M8 Tracker (Part 2)

Are you using DJ mode on the TX-6 for your live sets?

No, the TX-6 is a bit fiddly for that kind of thing (for me). I use it mainly as a basic summing mixer with EQ and compression, maybe I’ll toggle the delay or reverb on for a transition, but that’s about as hands on as I get usually. So far.

Ah sad, I had been kind of hoping that it would enable to single out a track or group of tracks to apply FX to these specific tracks.

Now the only small device supporting this - beside an iPhone/iPad - is probably the Drift DJ Zero. But at ~€1000, it’s hard to justify.

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haha same, i was dreaming of inserts for each track lol … anyway wish luck and success to the project !

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The drift can do USB Hosting of other devices and reroute said audio in different configurations? I only saw USB host mode for control. The only devices I know that host multichannel audio is TX6, Ableton Push 3 SA, and MPC etc. With TX6 only supporting 6 stereo streams (M8 needs 12), and the others having the downside of size and added latency (full linux/OS type devices).

Regardless the mixer is just a extremely low latency mixer (~2ms input to output). Adding support for 12 stereo channel host audio while also having device mode on the second USB port would probably suffer with latency or stability without moving to a full blown OS which clearly adds latency (looks at every single product that uses linux having latency/MIDI sync issues).

Edit: I have been watching the progress of the Drift DJ zero, it seems super cool! I feel that this mixer would be something to use with that, not compete. The mixer thing is full sized pots and faders etc.

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Well I might be wrong, but that’s what I understood.

From their Discord

Also

The price tag is… high - to say the least. But if it enables rerouting the M8’s USB audio channels, and use external effects, I might painfully bite the bullet.

(But I’ll surely wait to see if it can really do that in real life once it’s launched for good)

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The problem is it is easy to confuse host mode and device mode.

The mixer would support all channels individually when using the device / charge port (eg to a computer or iOS device. Kinda similar implementation as the Zero (I am assuming). While the mixer host port currently only supports USB MIDI devices. Adding say hosting to M8’s low latency 12 stereo multichannel audio might (big might) be possible, I have not had success with the simpler single channel stereo mode and it is a bit out of scope to dig further as I am still working on all the other things.

Also: USB audio always adds latency. It is not the be-all-end-all cable solution. If you can run a simple 3.5mm audio cable it will always be better in terms of latency, which is important in a live setting.

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That’s a great mixer you’re preparing anyhow, no question. And I will definitely get one, no matter if it does this USB audio rerouting or not.

I have absolutely no technical background, but I was wondering if just supporting one stereo channel (and not 12) would be less problematic?
Rerouting could be done on the M8 itself, using an FX bus and sending only this one via USB. This would be great already.

EDIT: sorry, it seems you cover that already in the pevious post

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It might be possible. I have played with getting it working but with no real success. I have only spent maybe half a day on that because the design goal was hosting USB midi devices so it can act like a USB to physical MIDI hub (the host port supports a usb hub even). EG if you had a USB keyboard or control surface, can reroute that to the physical MIDI ports, removing the need for one of those non-battery powered USB to physical MIDI boxes.

It is still very very early days on this project. So anything more than I said is pie in the sky, especially because the basics are not even ironed out yet.

Edit edit - heck I am not even sure if it will end up being a product. It is still somewhat of an expensive to prototype experiment. I have learned a lot of invaluable information making it (including some gains that the M8 firmware saw, aka multichannel usb audio), which is in part why I am also okay cutting my losses and moving on if it is not something that has much interest or feels somewhat not magical enough to risk moving to production.

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My M8 was shipped. They helped me out a little bit as I have a situation with timing of delivery…great customer service. Will be keeping this one and really learning it and will be making terribly mediocre beats…but they will be my mediocre beats and I will be happy with that!

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A quote to live by :muscle:

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not enough of these imo, MPC Live 2 is battery-powered-built-in-speaker-USB-host-DIN-out, it’s what i grab when i want to get a USB controller midi into a digi box. cause i don’t now if they even make a usb controller now that isn’t bus powered. i got like 5 Akai LPD8s i been holding onto awaiting this very day. while continually eyeing the Midifighter 64 in the cart for months. i don’t know why it’s satisfying af to plug a bus powered usb controller into something that can power it AND use it immediately. like why was this not part of USB and Midi protocol from the start? it’s low voltage

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For everyone interested In a quick 7/4 M8 time signature:

Create 8 pattern chains————————
Then on the 8th pattern put a HOP00 command on line 0C.
Just make sure you make all 8 tracks have the hop commands.

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Good to also mention you can edit the default groove to have all rows filled out 06 except rows C to F set to 00 so those rows are skipped.

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Oh

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Oh indeed!
Ouch, that does look incredibly similar in concept to what @trash80 has been describing, uncannily so.

EDIT: Seems to not have the same MIDI hosting / TRS ↔ USB idea

As usual with TE, the user guide is cryptic

But it looks like there is no routing options for the USB inputs?
(but I might be wrong)

I only have found this part;

the usb-c port allows K.o.–sidekick to work as a midi controller, an 8 in/4 out audio interface and can also be used to control parameters from an external midi device.

Bad manual lol

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Re USB outputs

There’s also this

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OK at 18:51 they describe USB audio.

I think it cuts it for me. And the price is really all right.