Much more difficult with stereo material, of course…
Why is that?
Because each channel of a stereo file is potentially doing something different to the other, ie there’s no guarantee that the left and right channel are going to hit zero at the same time
The issue is more link to lots of hardware sampler than a Digitakt 1/2 issue here.
But agree that a proper sample editor on DT would make sense, and bit like the one on the OT which allow me to do the audacity stuff I need.
The click/pop could be solve by zero crossing, but the problem is more link to the fact the beginning and end of the sample does not match the same value. So you get a quite high pitched transient.
Zero crossing solve that on big sample so taking a larger sample and reducing it’s playback to fit zero cross. But that’s a trick. And unfortunately mono tricks
Most of the time you will need to tweak your sample to make them work in this context.
And yes it’s painful, but with the MPC or OT as well, still need this manual editing ( which can be done in the box but not by a specific feature, because no feature will fully solve that, no EQ, filter(eq like) solve that, mask at best).
In both I need to zoom on the sample and make it work, and in a DAW or audacity too. DT is not that great in this regard. But the only one in hardware which allow me to do that conveniently without computer are OT and MPC today… Not an Elektron thing more a general sample problem. Common in all sampler and not the one 40 years old only.
If there’s an algorithm detecting the zero crossing points, wouldn’t it be simple to only select the ones that both channels share in common? It would only mean less instances.
I see what you mean.
As the difference in crossing points should not be crazy different (i suppose),
without having any technical skills of this kind kind i would think that it could be possible
for each of the two channels to have its own crossing point and the longer one defines when the sample will start. This way the shorter one will follow a few milliseconds later, which should be „ok“?
Dunno if what i think has any doable ground though
No, unless both channels are at 0 simultaneouslythere will be a click
The OT has zero crossing select for stereo samples, so Elektron know how to do it, they just didn’t with the DT2 for whatever reason.
The lack of polyphony on most of the Elektron boxes is their biggest detriment currently IMO.
I dont get it. If each individual channel gets crossed at zero points and none of the two channels has a click why should there be a click when combined? This is what i am saying in my imaginary scenario. Lets say Channel 1 is the early one. Then Channel 2 fades in also from its zero crossing. I can
t really understand why two channels without a click could result in a click when combined.
However i really lack the skills to technically back it up. Its an idea
Ah ok.
Well then lets wait and see what the next update brings. Would be a real shame to leave it handicapped like this.
As to your second part of the comment, yes its a bit of a bummer …
i got pops and clicks with my OT, setting zero crossing, adjusting the envelopes etc never worked. it was really frustrating particularly for something with the price tag of the OT. Ultimately was a reason for me to get rid of it.
This is a good tute on making seamless loops in audacity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiwC05zMaFw
A click occurs when a waveform has to jump immediately to or from zero instantaneously. The click doesn’t exist within the sound file, rather it is a symptom of the speaker/headphone driver having to jump straight from point A to point B non-linearly. A stereo file is comprised of two mono files, each containing different information (this is what gives you the impression of a stereo field). It s highly likely therefore that these two channels will not hit a zero crossing point at exactly the same time, and therefore there will be a click when one of those two channels isnt at zero crossing when the other one is.
I think this is the thing people are missing.
Well it works much much (much) better in a daw or an editor. Its not like its not possible anywhere.
So I am trying to understand why it’s not possible in the DT. If you would tell me it is a computational power issue I would understand. Also it does not even have this function at all in the first place.
Secondly I don’t understand why if I apply a low pass the click still occurs-or at least does not get much better . If I do the same in a daw the click becomes darker and darker until it almost diminishes, as would be logical cause…. low pass.
In the DT it somehow sometimes sounds like the looping is occurring after the eq so to speak cause I can’t get it much better with the eq
Yes.
I started with a Yamaha SU10.
At least I had sample units as values. Digitakt start/end values aren’t precise, I even noticed the sound was changing even if the value wasn’t.
Octatrack.
Me too. But sometimes I use the computer to prepare some more complex samples to save time.
Octatrack is MUCH better for audio editing.
Digitakt 2 is better for basic sample playback (pitch range, velocity mod to assign different samples…), but Octatrack can play VERY long samples (around 3h30mn per track) and allows different slices lengths.
Well. We’ll see in 10 years…
For the moment I prefer to search workarounds…
I mainly wish they will implement a quantized rec start (added to PLAY one), for seamless loops.
(I read somewhere recordings with defined length weren’t precise; I hope it is wrong, I didn’t check.)
I personally think that it would have been potentially better received if they had called it something else other than Digitakt II, it is to me, a very different machine than the OG.
As a direct upgrade, currently, I’m a pretty disappointed customer, to the point that I may just sell it and forget about it, stick with the DT and continue to use my OT for stereo sample mangling shenanigans.
Fingers crossed the next update will bring it out of storage for longer than a few weeks.
totally understandable, but any specific reasons why?
There are other things too, I dislike the 8 bar implementation, it feels, well, lazy from a design point of view, just double the leds. And many of the new feature additions feel half-baked, like the page looping, the new filter machines, cheaping out on the components used for file storage, minimal increase in transfer rates, lack of adequate mono sample handling/recording.
I don’t want to be all negative, it is a device with great potential currently hindered by beta quality software, in a year or three, I’m sure it will be a different machine entirely, but until then, I have the OG and the Octatrack, and many other distractions
definitely feel this
Does the sample sound different when it’s reversed?
If not, one solution you can try is to set up a “ping pong” LFO (rather than a loop) to play the sample forward and then in reverse repeatedly so you never have to hear it restart (and ergo no click).
I’m at the beach now so I can’t look up the link but you can search YT for “Digitakt ping pong seamless looping” or the like will find you a tutorial.