Looking for 24 bit (classic) break samples

Rabbitfrog · 2015-05-30T15:40:59.000Z

Hello all. I am trying my hand at classic jungle and am working with the Amen and Little Drummer Boy samples and others. However some editing sometimes really pushes the sound and I get aliasing and jittering and however it’s called. If someone is feeling generous to share a few samples in 24 bit 44 or 48k but 24 bit nonetheless, I would really appreciate even a few. Thanks in advance.

R7 · 2015-05-30T19:13:07.000Z

""Rabbitfrog"":

Hello all. I am trying my hand at classic jungle and am working with the Amen and Little Drummer Boy samples and others. However some editing sometimes really pushes the sound and I get aliasing and jittering and however it’s called. If someone is feeling generous to share a few samples in 24 bit 44 or 48k but 24 bit nonetheless, I would really appreciate even a few. Thanks in advance.

Aliasing is more a product of the sample rate your working at. If your doing something to the sample that exceeds the Nyquist frequency you’ll have ugly foldback harmonics. Bitrate raises the noise floor and avoids quantization noise because of it.

If your running into Aliasing there is not alot you can do about it on the Octatrack as it’s sample rate is limited to 44.1k. You’ll only hear it when doing internal audio operations at higher than the Nyquist frequency, like using it with single cycle waves and playing something above C5 or maybe in your case pitching part of a break up above C5.

Could be the time stretching algorithm introducing artifacts but anything that runs less than 88.1/96khz without oversampling is going to have aliasing.

TheDiePie · 2015-05-30T19:39:03.000Z

hm, ich have some problems to understand which audio signals of common synths may come close enough to exceed the Nyquist frequency. This must be a signal above 22kHz - me I could not hear that, maybe my little daughter, six weeks of age…

I assume his problem is not (classic) aliasing, more the jittering due to incorrect adjustments of the recording settings. Maybe some very short kicks of the drumset cause very short clippings of the converter that occur as jittering when playing back the samples. The input LED won’t show a very short clipping.

lindhyrst · 2015-05-30T21:50:00.000Z

Check drumdrops. They have some great sounding break samples. If I remember correctly recorded thru a neve desk and all that.

Rabbitfrog · 2015-05-30T21:59:06.000Z

""lindhyrst"":

Check drumdrops. They have some great sounding break samples. If I remember correctly recorded thru a neve desk and all that.

Thanks.

Sorry guys, not looking for a remote problem solving here. All I know is that 24 bit samples do not have the same issues when I do the exact same things to them. Properly naming my problem is not going to get 24 bit break samples onto my machine (which is what I need). I appreciate the attention but it’s completely unnecessary.

Diapause · 2015-05-30T22:00:31.000Z

I have yet to find a good collection in 24-bit.
It’s all mostly older samples that are all 16/44.1.
Like http://sampleoidz.co.uk/shop/ for instance; the guy has great break collections, but they’re all from older libraries I think he amassed back in the '90’s so it’s not 24-bit.

I’m interested to see if anyone knows of a place to get newer versions of older breaks.

Rabbitfrog · 2015-05-30T22:16:09.000Z

""Diapause"":

I have yet to find a good collection in 24-bit.
It’s all mostly older samples that are all 16/44.1.
Like http://sampleoidz.co.uk/shop/ for instance; the guy has great break collections, but they’re all from older libraries I think he amassed back in the '90’s so it’s not 24-bit.

I’m interested to see if anyone knows of a place to get newer versions of older breaks.

It’s actually a pretty good resource (bookmarked for future).

I had some time to check the Drumdrops website. And they have a dedicated Funk loops section and while not “classic” they are probably better. They give cleaner, more original sound that’s wide open to post processing.

Throwing out the whole “Amen Break is overused” topic out the window - I browsed and seriously doubt we will find any unless someone samples the vinyl. Because that whole thing peaked in the 90s and then Drum and bass became a 2 step thing. So most breaks were already sampled and arranged.

Sort of how Dubstep producers are not really programming Amen Break slices but are just sampling old Jungle CDs and passing though various effects and filters.

I dig the whole topic of them being overused…but I just find the whole process extremely fascinating and can’t get it out of my head. The Drumdrops website is awesome. You can get loops for a few bucks. Much better then browsing Loopmasters and Sample Magic breaks section.

lindhyrst · 2015-05-30T22:34:01.000Z

Check these two:
http://www.drumdrops.com/recording/drops-in-the-bronx-volume-2

http://www.drumdrops.com/recording/temple-of-boom

pselodux · 2015-05-31T23:26:34.000Z

classic jungle

24bit samples

sorry, just felt like being that guy today

Rabbitfrog · 2015-05-31T23:27:04.000Z

""lindhyrst"":

Check these two:
http://www.drumdrops.com/recording/drops-in-the-bronx-volume-2

http://www.drumdrops.com/recording/temple-of-boom

Wow these are gorgeous. All this is actually making me forget about Amen breaks and all that. thanks a bunch.

The only option for the 24 bit sound is the “stems” versions? The “loops” one just says WAV and nothing about the bit rate.

Rabbitfrog · 2015-05-31T23:30:04.000Z

""pselodux"":

classic jungle

24bit samples

sorry, just felt like being that guy today

Grow up already.

pselodux · 2015-05-31T23:36:38.000Z

ha, clearly I’m old enough already

Seriously though, the dynamic range of the original amen break probably isn’t enough to warrant a 24-bit sample anyway?

Diapause · 2015-05-31T23:36:44.000Z

All this is actually making me forget about Amen breaks and all that.

Then you need a refresher, breh . . .

R7 · 2015-06-01T00:28:05.000Z

""TheDiePie"":

hm, ich have some problems to understand which audio signals of common synths may come close enough to exceed the Nyquist frequency. This must be a signal above 22kHz - me I could not hear that, maybe my little daughter, six weeks of age…

I assume his problem is not (classic) aliasing, more the jittering due to incorrect adjustments of the recording settings. Maybe some very short kicks of the drumset cause very short clippings of the converter that occur as jittering when playing back the samples. The input LED won’t show a very short clipping.

It’s not about the fundamental of a note that has the potential to exceed nyquist. It is any potential harmonic content. A saw or square wave has very high harmonics if not bandlimited that can and do cross nyquist often when using a sample rate of 44.1khz. This would be even more apparent with especially complex waveforms produced with wavetables, additive, FM, AM, RM.

If you skip about halfway in you can clearly see the aliasing in almost all modern day digital synths. The only solutions are to oversample (internally running at higher sample rates) run completely at 88.1 or 96khz or band limit everything so it doesn’t cross nyquist (sacrificing high frequency content.

Rabbitfrog · 2015-06-02T19:11:03.000Z

""R7"":

[quote=“TheDiePie”]hm…

It’s not about …

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Please stop this. I already told you guys, that I am not interested in your analysis. I made a topic asking for something if you cannot contribute then do not post here. Please. I do not care and you are wasting my time by making me check messages that are not even directed at me and have no interest for me whatsoever. Thank you for understanding and respect for my topic, please continue your discussions elsewhere in a more relevant topic. Sorry for this direct approach.

Zymos · 2015-06-02T19:18:17.000Z

Kinda goes with the territory when asking for help on a public discussion forum.

Sorry about your time, post your PayPal and I’ll send you a dime…

Rabbitfrog · 2015-06-02T19:25:20.000Z

""Zymos"":

Kinda goes with the territory when asking for help on a public discussion forum.

Sorry about your time, post your PayPal and I’ll send you a dime…

I sent you a PM with my PayPal. I am currently unemployed and struggling Really appreciate when jokers like you come along throwing money around like that.

Zymos · 2015-06-02T19:38:29.000Z

Sorry about your situation.

R7 · 2015-06-02T20:46:44.000Z

""Rabbitfrog"":

Please stop this. I already told you guys, that I am not interested in your analysis. I made a topic asking for something if you cannot contribute then do not post here. Please. I do not care and you are wasting my time by making me check messages that are not even directed at me and have no interest for me whatsoever. Thank you for understanding and respect for my topic, please continue your discussions elsewhere in a more relevant topic. Sorry for this direct approach.

Cranky much? You posted a question asking about aliasing and 24 bit samples and a small discussion ensued. Try to help somebody jeeze…

It sounds like your having hard times and that is unfortunate but it’s not an excuse for being rude.