Learning new instruments as an adult

alexwasashrimp · 2023-05-28T11:10:27.278Z

Abhoth:

With lessons and serious effort, progressing from absolutely terrible to something useable doesn’t take that long.

Took vocal lessons for an year in my twenties, progressed from absolutely terrible to absolutely terrible.

That said, just rapping to myself for the last 2-3 years gave me so much control of my voice, I never thought I’d be able to make it sound so good. Still can’t sing though.

hausland · 2023-05-28T12:08:26.528Z

I do public speaking as part of my profession, rapping in my late teens / early tweens is a big part of why I can do that and also improvise in keynotes if the need arises.

aMunchkinElfGraduate · 2023-05-28T15:53:18.558Z

Here is a resource for learning all the scales (and all the notes) on the soprano recorder: 12 Major Scales for Recorder, Ascending and Descending - YouTube

GovernorSilver · 2023-05-28T22:08:10.748Z

Your post made me think of Miura Taro again. I was about to do a little writeup and realized I already did earlier in the thread.

I believe this is him.

neiro.org

Shakuhachi Making Workshop with Miura Taro – neiro.org

enjoy your shakuhachi journey!

MichaalHell · 2023-12-11T05:24:50.042Z

My oldest daughter started playing alto saxophone 4 months ago and it’s been such a pleasure to watch her progression. And it really shows how much more susceptible to learning kids are. She’s already got the finger technique down, she’s really good at intonation and is already better than me at reading notation.

It’s gonna be a lot of fun to see her musical journey!

Kirz · 2023-12-11T09:02:08.121Z

I have a feeling my partner got me a concertina for chirstmas - which I jokingly said that I wanted to play it ages ago.

Guess I need to learn it for real now. Hope it’s easy to learn.

DimensionsTomorrow · 2024-04-17T22:31:51.787Z

Just a reminder to anyone thinking about picking up a new instrument to do it!

Randomly deciding to start taking flute lessons during the pandemic was such an immensely rewarding decision (even though I still don’t know what possessed me).

I’m starting on the advanced program later this year. Beyond just learning a specific instrument, it has taught me so much about music. I’ve learned to read music, learned to play in loads of different time signatures and keys, developed my rhythm and understanding of harmony, and learned to play with other musicians. I’ve gotten to study and play works by some of my favorite composers, like Vince Guaraldi, Yusef Lateef, Antonio Carlos Jobim. Up next is some tunes from the Cowboy Bebop soundtrack, and then maybe a deep dive into the tunes off of Kind of Blue.

I’m not going to be leading my own jazz group any time soon, but I think it’s finally cured me of the imposter syndrome I think a lot of us electronic musicians face, and has opened me up to a much deeper connection with music than I thought possible. I’ve struggled with the guitar since I was a kid, and thought I’m just am not that talented a musician, but it turns out that a woodwind instrument came so much easier to me, and these studies are feeding back into my guitar playing.

Anyway, I just wanted to share as while taking up a new instrument as an adult can be very daunting, it’s actually a very achievable and rewarding experience. The key I think is just finding a good teacher/school, and being consistent. You can accomplish a LOT in just a few years.

sacguy71 · 2024-04-17T22:34:14.688Z

watch videos and see if beginner lessons of songs by popular artists that you like who play a particular instrument. I learned guitar and piano as an adult and want to actually learn drums and bass now!

moredat · 2024-04-17T23:31:54.793Z

there are not many instruments that are harder than a piano transposition-wise, so we’re on a good path as synthesists. that’s almost like being a pianist but double the xp if you count the sound design and all the bs we have to deal with mixing and mastering our (poor) tracks.

just kidding, i eager everyone to at least buy a bass guitar. it just werks and is easy to understand. comes with immediacy and good live playability straight out the box. studybass.com with free content is all you really need to get a clue.

Hoshin · 2024-04-18T12:26:33.551Z

shigginpit:

any advice other than the rote “practice, dedication” type of common sense advice?

When I was a kid, I learned clarinet (four years), then stopped. It was not my first choice and I was not playing very much. Around 18, I learned oboe (two years) then stopped and stayed in a concert band for about 4 years more, then stopped. With adulthood, I’ve learned didgeridoo, jew harp, bansuri, hungarian zither, kalimba, guitar (electro-acoustic and electric), piano. Music is a big part of my life. When I don’t play an instrument, I play in my head.

With adulthood, we have more constraint, so less time, but more patience, and there are probably fewer performance objectives. The pleasure to only play is sometimes less present when childhood. But we can progress so much quickly at young age! So with age, when we loose on some aspects, we gain on other.

As for me, I realize that I tend to stop once I realize that I have the basics. Then the “discovering time” has passed away, and another relationship to the instrument begins and most of the time I’m less interested.

Probably because I need to put more effort, more time on practice to feel the progress again. And with adulthood the time is what we are missing mostly.
I could probably have an ADD

I recently started refocusing on guitar and am taking online lessons. Coming back to the basics, the progression is soooo slow, but if I was a noob I think it would help very much. And it helps me to consolidate the basics and get back into a practice routine. But actually, the best advice would be

take private lessons, because the physical encounter engages us in a different investment. Doing this way, we are entering into long-term regularity, while it can stop overnight when we learn via internet. So this helps to stay true to your instrument, to move past this phase of discovery and enter into a more complex relationship with the instrument.
buy a GOOD quality instrument. Its sound and its beauty CAN help so much.
don’t forget to buy a metronome and play with it.
You have to stay in a dynamic of pleasure. If it’s hard or not rewarding for a relatively long period, it’s probably time to reconsider your expectations and goals. Otherwise the risk is to move towards stopping, whereas if we started this instrument, it is because there is something which aroused our interest! There is a balance to be found to keep the flame alive.

mr_bernard · 2024-04-18T14:08:02.942Z

How’d I miss this thread?!

I’ve played saxophone for 30+ years, and last fall I purchased a bass clarinet. The embouchure is different, but not foreign… but oh my… the pinky keys are a brain twister compared to the sax. I’m good with the fingerings otherwise, but it was/is a struggle to geolocate my pinkies in my mind’s eye! First new instrument I’ve learned in any adult memory (been playing keys poorly, and guitar since my teens).

As far as OP’s original question about practice advice, especially with a wind instrument… take small bites daily rather than large bites weekly. Most days, I only spent 20-40 mins on my sax, and sometime just spend that time on bass clarinet now. The only consistent daily thing is long tones and overtones, but I regularly spend time with a random thing I pick out of a practice book until I can nail it.

schoolbabyboy · 2024-04-18T14:30:35.902Z

ive started learning the harmonica the past couple months and the only times i play are on my five minute walk to and from work and on the playground with the children. i havent gotten crazy good but i significantly improved my ability to isolate notes after just a few days of short practice times. now im learning licks from adam gussow on youtube and i can actually start freestyling off of those licks just from feeling like the next note will work. its activating my brain in a new way too, its a great way to reset on my way to and from work. and it feels really cool developing new muscles in my mouth, thats a trippy post workout feeling.

Jukka · 2024-04-18T15:18:32.056Z

mr_bernard:

I’ve played saxophone for 30+ years, and last fall I purchased a bass clarinet.

Similar, only i’ve considered ( dreamed of ) the sarrusophone. Thought being it wouldn’t be something that anyone else plays and it sounds great. Double reed, but the fingering is nearly identical.

mr_bernard · 2024-04-18T15:38:48.923Z

Jukka:

Double reed, but the fingering is nearly identical.

Just looked that up! The fingerings may be similar, but my gawd, the price is not

DimensionsTomorrow · 2024-06-01T03:14:01.344Z

I found a couple of old flute song books published here in Japan in the 1960s and 1970s, and they are pure gold. Really classy and eclectic selections. One of the joys of learning to read music and play an instrument is to be able to go on a time warp to other musical eras.

In my weekly lesson I’m currently working on this theme song to a French film noir film from the 1960s called Crime on Summer Morning (in English). It reminds me of something off of a Tarantino soundtrack or something. Really cool composition.

The second song book I found has the theme from Emmanuel in it. Strange selection for flute students, but a beautiful song. Also a bunch of classic 1960s James Bond theme songs. Japan seems like it would have been a cool place to be in the 1960s–1970s. Haha.

thermionic · 2024-06-01T03:29:56.744Z

After a lifetime of thinking i was a little on pitch and sometimes okay at some karaoke, I decided to get an idea of my limitations and hoo boy it is humbling to take voice lessons from a serious instructor when you’re in your mid-40s. So many bad habits, and my body is simultaneously flexible in weird ways but stiff in neck, shoulders, jaw inoptimally to where the teacher kept trying to convince me to relax them… which only made me feel more awkward!

I’ve always enjoyed the human element of voice in electronic music, and do want to use it to ground myself in my work, but hoo doggies is it vulnerable, even before I hit up open nights!

Some stuff worth it is scary, but whaddamigonnado? Give up?

Bcharlie · 2024-06-01T06:38:43.833Z

These look good. What was the song book and did it have the piano parts to Emmanuel?

DimensionsTomorrow · 2024-06-01T07:10:47.827Z

It lists the chords and has the melody line charted out for flute. I lent the book to my teacher, but when I get it back I can probably take a photo. Not sure if that would be helpful.

This is the edition with Emmanuel.

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Bcharlie · 2024-06-01T18:41:29.404Z

No worries, thanks for the details. I found a few Emmanuel soundtrack LPs in a Charity shop years ago, so your previous post brought the memories back. Don’t worry about the other book i’m never sure of the inversions of chords when its not shown in the score. Thanks again and all the best with the lessons.

DimensionsTomorrow · 2024-09-13T22:20:37.999Z

After mentioning this thread on the piano/synth thread, I thought I’d bump it with a personal update.

I finally made it into the advanced flute program at the Yamaha/Yamano Gakki school I’ve been studying at, which kind of blows my mind that I actually I got here. I’m still really enjoying the lessons and, like with learning a language, the advanced stuff is when it starts to get good.

I’m finishing up a third piece by John Barry (Thunderball) at the moment, and then my teacher and I are moving into to the area I want to specialize in, jazz improvisation.

My teacher actually recommended we go with a curriculum developed by a guy named Yasutoshi Inamori who incidentally played flute on the first track of the killer Japanese jazz compilation below.

1970s jazz is right up my alley, so definitely going in the right direction. I have enjoyed the 1960s-1970s film and TV score stuff I worked on this past year, and the music theory and rhythm chops I’m going to be working on next is really going to carry over into all of my own personal projects and to other instruments as well I think. Really excited.

Someone on another music forum was the reason I started lessons in the first place, so hopefully I can inspire someone else to pick up an instrument later in life.