Hihi I think this is my last chance to decide If Return my money from octatrack ( which i dont have yet ) and get analog rytm based on my request, I own electribe Sx and volca bass keys , I want to work on smooth live sets but I still cant decide returning my second hand octa money and get rytm or stick with octa. What you think
Keep the OT for now and get an AR later.
I agree
depending on the style of music you are playing, but unless you are into dubtechno or minimal, i guess you are better off with the OT. team it up with an AR later if you feel the need.
Im into acid techno and minimal, Ive been playing drums patterns and sequencing my volcas with my electribe thats why I was thinking in getting the rytm to pair it Up with my electribe/volca sequences. Also theres a BAND proyect in mind which Ive been asked to participate in the drums/samples section, the band consist in 2 guitars and me maybe on rytm or octatrack. I still cant decide which machine learn. I also would like the machine I can take an acid and enjoy and experiment for hours with an external battery pack. i need to decide kinda quick, what type of music or in what part of a live/production enviorment do you think the octa is for now that the analog rytm is out? Which one of the two do you think it most worth the price?
Im into acid techno and minimal,[/quote]
Ok well then you’ve made it simple, get the RYTM. Much more suitable to that stuff than the OCTA is.
Im into acid techno and minimal,[/quote]
Ok well then you’ve made it simple, get the RYTM. Much more suitable to that stuff than the OCTA is.[/quote]
Good to know thanks, what style of music or perfomance do u think octa is more suitable for?
When i spend time away from my Octatracks, & listen to demos/read opinions of the A4 / RYTM, i always convince myself that i need 1 (or both)
When i get back to my Octatracks i realise they’re all i need.
If you’re honestly happy to make “standard” type Dance music, Acid, Techno etc, then go with the RYTM.
You’re obviously nervous about getting an Octatrack. It’s a beautiful, but idiosyncratic machine. You’ll have fun straight out of the box with the RYTM.
If experimentation is what you want, if you want to push yourself/your music into uncharted territory, get an OT. I’m not saying you can’t do crazy/weird with the RYTM, but Octatrack was designed to push the limits. RYTM was designed to be a drum machine, albeit one with some great features.
If I had 2 OT’s and was struggling to afford the Rytm I’d def sell one to fund it, as you’re going to be freeing up many tracks that would otherwise be used for drums.
I’m struggling to afford lunch at the moment, but i won’t ever sell one of them. Certainly not to fund a RYTM.
What way do you use the 2 OT’s together? Is it just to extend the amount of tracks or are there other ways they interact? I’ve never gave it much thought.
Why are you guys recommending the rythm specifically dub techno? Are the effects better suited for that style?
I do dub / minimal techno - I have 2 octatracks which I think work really well
Im into acid techno and minimal,[/quote]
Ok well then you’ve made it simple, get the RYTM. Much more suitable to that stuff than the OCTA is.[/quote]
Good to know thanks, what style of music or perfomance do u think octa is more suitable for?[/quote]
Well you can do anything with it really (with the right samples) but it tends to be better at the styles that are more loop manipulation based or glitch oriented rather than the smoother synth & percussion styles you mentioned.Certainly minimal has been a passion of mine for a few years and the AR seems to make it super easy to get the minimal/dub techno sound.
You don’t have a RYTM do you? Otherwise you wouldn’t be saying that, the RYTM is only bounded by your imagination IMHO. Its a massively flexible machine but its flexible in a different way to the OCTA. Also its a hell of a lot simpler to get to the gold with the RYTM than with the OCTA if you ask me.
I always thought Elektron machines are best suited for Elektro/Electronic music… meaning that the machine fits pretty well every genre.
I see the Analog Rytm and imagine myself making bass heavy Elektro beats, not necessarily minimal techno… So it’s all up to what you want to do creatively, and the Analog Rytm allows you to do that.
the OT and AR are different animals IMO
it depends on how you want to go about creating your sound
the AR is an analog drum machine with some ability to add samples (not a sampler)
the OT is a sampler/sequencer/mangler…meaning out of the two instruments, the OT is going to have much more flexibility in what you do with it
get the instrument that will do what you need it to do…for me, there is no way the AR could replace my OT or the other way around
You don’t have a RYTM do you? Otherwise you wouldn’t be saying that, the RYTM is only bounded by your imagination IMHO. Its a massively flexible machine but its flexible in a different way to the OCTA. Also its a hell of a lot simpler to get to the gold with the RYTM than with the OCTA if you ask me.[/quote]
No I don’t have one, but the point I was trying to make was based on the op’s sense of trepidation (from this post and previous threads) regarding the OT, and his seemingly simpler requirements. Yes you can make complex stuff with the RYTM & I did allude to the possibilities that the RYTM was capable of more. I was simply trying to suggest that the RYTM was perhaps an easier introduction to Elektron gear, for the type of music he specified (acid techno & minimal) not Autechre. The OT’s a different beast altogether.
AikiGhost is famous for not getting on with the OT
I’m very taken with the AR (a bit more than with the A4) and look forward to getting one. But the OT will always be at the heart of my system. I have thought about getting 2 of them but that’s mainly because I tend to do a lot of drums on the OT and use up tracks quite qickly, however I think I would prefer a dedicated drum machine.
For me the learning curve was no so steep, I don’t know every last thing on the machine but I find it very easy to use in ‘autopilot’ mode, ie without a great deal of conscious thought. I think a great deal of how you relate to the OT depends on how you think about sampling. The sample-playback functionality on the AR is definitely more intuitive - assign 1 sample per pad, and/or work in chromatic mode. The way the OT handles samples is a bit less intuitive (1 per track by default, although this is really one per trig if you want), and the sampling is very different, since every track can have its own sample buffer.
As I have said many times, it’s best to think of the OT as being like 8 tape recorders under computer control, with a very limited chromatic mode thrown in as a bonus feature. For me this is perfect as it was very important to sample-and-resample as part of the composition itself and in sync with BPM etc. That, plus a complex external MIDI sequencer/arpeggiator. The OT’s sampling approach seems extremely natural to me, as it basically does what I had tried to force every other sampler into doing without much success. My feeling is that if you get the OT you’ll find it’s like the Electribe on steroids, and the Electribe might soon end up in a secondary role.
As for having a jam ‘under the influence’ - you will likely be able to do this a bit sooner with the AR, which looks to be their most accessible/ergonomic product since the MD. And you’ll be able to jam endlessly in your preferred style of music. The OT will allow that too, but is more likely to cause you explore other musical styles and ideas that you would never have considered otherwise, thanks to its auto-looping and sample abuse possibilities.
I will add to this that the analog voices, ability to loop very short sections of samples through analog distortion & filters, modding with lfos and routing through FX make the AR a pretty decent synth too.
To this statment, i will afford that if you take time to learn the OT, it will be a good compagnion in jam with other musicians, because very flexible and complete intrument (it’s to say being hable to replace any other instrument).
It does not mean that AR wont be efficient in a live jam, i.m shure he will pierce the roof, but maybe mainly restricted to rythm and bass presence.
I kow that i will have an AR, nothing can replace a drum machine, but it wont never replace the OT in his function of swiss knife instrument. Regularly, i play jam with others electronics musiciens, and we notice that OT is nice for any type of band playing.
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@ aikigosht : quit shure of that.