Kind of feeling burned

avantronica · 2013-11-28T14:08:48.000Z

""r05c03"":

Avan-, I like your persona on here. You are always positive and helpful.

i try, but i fail from time to time - i’m just unashamedly in love with the a4 #abitbiased

Jon · 2013-11-28T14:31:25.000Z

A lot of irrelevant posts removed. Dionysiananarchy: tone it down. Your view on ethics and use of language are irrelevant for this thread. Also, actively encouraging drama in threads going haywire things just for the fun of it - which you admitted you liked - is contra-productive.

Kudos to all of you who keep the on-topic discussion going.

DR_Strangeknob · 2013-11-28T16:37:37.000Z

The only thing lame with the a4 that I got was the chipped paint action. But it’s not a big deal. I didn’t buy the machine so that looked pretty I bought the machine because of the sound that it makes and I Newfull well before buying the machine what I was getting into because I looked on the Internet watched videos and look at the specs. Oh and plus one on the free plus drive upgrade that were going to gets for free is going to be the shit snd the new operating system for the A4 I’m sure is going to be rad . Don’t feel burned other companies will do you without Vaseline.

OSCar · 2013-11-28T17:06:48.000Z

""husc"":

[quote=“Orwell”]honestly this has become a typical electronic forum, just utterly terrible and a complete waste of time
wish we could go back to the Eu forums

Agreed!

I reported posts to the moderators to no avail. Tried to read and participate, but I get annoyed by certain posts.

To the old fart that I am becoming the whole internet is saturated with trolls, GAS and consumerism. I am behaving worse and worse on social media lately, an unwanted change due to the behaviour of others on sites and fora I used to enjoy to be a part of.

Grumpy, beaten and dissapointed I hardly ever visit this forum, while on EU I felt right at home and among other things, it helped shape my husc-ensemble to what we are today! I met lovely, unique and beautiful people through elektron-users and most of them are still here!

So what’s the problem? I think it’s the tone and aggression, a lack of simple respect and punctuation.

But it will never change and the best solution seems to just “walk away, son”.

[/quote]
Couldn’t have put it better myself.
That said, in all reality when you buy hardware you know at some point it generally gets superseded by another model, doesn’t matter if it’s a Nord Lead 1,2,3&4 the G1 & G2, Korg Workstation, Roland Juno Series (back in the day), the myriad of DX based synths or Akai A Series Samplers etc…
And don’t get me started on the development rate of the iPad.
At some point you just have to make your peace with the gear you have and use it to the best of your ability.
The up side is your original hardware purchase will work as well as it ever has irrespective of what comes after it. Unlike software that no longer gets support, isn’t compatible with your current OS, doesn’t get 64 bit compatibility and kept redundant proof.
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt and have indeed felt burned.
So in 10 years from now my computer may well be different, and my DAW may be a totally new spec but the hardware I bought will still run via a decent mixer through a sound card and work as well as it ever has (if I look after the investment well).
Every cloud does indeed have a silver lining.

void · 2013-11-28T17:15:49.000Z

meh, imo there’s just a bit of tension pending the upcoming Elektron releases, hopefully it will ebb once everyone gets to play with their new or updated toys

XanaX · 2013-11-28T17:29:14.000Z

I’m not sure why A4 users are complaining so much… AK isn’t cheap… and with a midi keyboard connected to A4 you get 98% of the AK functionality (i tried it today)… i do understand the individual outs dilemna but that issue might also be blown out of proportion. i’m sure many of you have dealt fine without it so far, and it will almost become a non issue when using A4 as a 4 voice poly synth (most poly synths only come with a stereo output btw) AK is definitely the no compromise unit but A4 with the new free OS packs a mean punch at it’s price point…

Synchronon · 2013-11-28T18:26:18.000Z

""VennDiagram"":

[quote=“husc”][quote=“Orwell”]honestly this has become a typical electronic forum, just utterly terrible and a complete waste of time
wish we could go back to the Eu forums

Agreed!

I reported posts to the moderators to no avail. Tried to read and participate, but I get annoyed by certain posts.

To the old fart that I am becoming the whole internet is saturated with trolls, GAS and consumerism. I am behaving worse and worse on social media lately, an unwanted change due to the behaviour of others on sites and fora I used to enjoy to be a part of.

Grumpy, beaten and dissapointed I hardly ever visit this forum, while on EU I felt right at home and among other things, it helped shape my husc-ensemble to what we are today! I met lovely, unique and beautiful people through elektron-users and most of them are still here!

So what’s the problem? I think it’s the tone and aggression, a lack of simple respect and punctuation.

But it will never change and the best solution seems to just “walk away, son”.

[/quote]
Couldn’t have put it better myself.
That said, in all reality when you buy hardware you know at some point it generally gets superseded by another model, doesn’t matter if it’s a Nord Lead 1,2,3&4 the G1 & G2, Korg Workstation, Roland Juno Series (back in the day), the myriad of DX based synths or Akai A Series Samplers etc…
And don’t get me started on the development rate of the iPad.
At some point you jut have to make your peace with the gear you have and use it to the best of your ability.
The up side is your original hardware purchase will work as well as it ever has irrespective of what comes after it. Unlike software that no longer gets support, isn’t compatible with your current OS, doesn’t get 64 bit compatibility and kept redundant proof.
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt and have indeed felt burned.
So in 10 years from now my computer may well be different, and my DAW may be a totally new spec but the hardware I bought will still run via a decent mixer through a sound card and work as well as it ever has (if I look after the investment well).
Every cloud does indeed have a silver lining. [/quote]

analogback · 2013-11-28T20:54:49.000Z

""r05c03"":

God forbid I have an opinion and I express it. Suddenly I am complainer despite having owned Elektron gear for over 7 years and at one point owned every single one of the 4 machines they have made that are still available today and I have been nothing but supporter of the company. I have an Octatrack with a jenky headphone output which they have not been able to fix with two attempts, an A4 with chipped ass paint from simple studio use. Complain about that? Nope. I am not complainer. But I will certainly express my opinion when I feel I have laid down $1.2 K on a device that does not have what I consider to be a huge functionality deficit compared to essentially the same device release 1 year later.

hey, you have had some bad luck there with your kit… really sorry to hear it… i have experienced many similar issues and i am interested in your ot headphone out problem. i posted a way to test the problem in the headphone crackling thread but no responses so i wonder if you have tried this method… because it fixed mine… i dont believe that re soldering the output jack is the issue. the problem is relating to the digital part of the machine as the noise produced is not analogue circuit distortion. it sounds very digital in nature… anyway good luck.

r05c03 · 2013-11-29T00:35:46.000Z

They replaced the entire logic board in the last “fix” came back regardless. Had to just go ahead and buy a mixer and run the main outs in so I could get a headphone feed.

r05c03 · 2013-11-29T00:51:07.000Z

i will add they offered to fix it again, but the OT is central to my rig and if i send it away I am shut down, which bums me out.

jonah · 2013-11-29T00:54:53.000Z

I dunno if was nefarious, maybe it has to do with the form factor too? Is there really room on the back of the analog4? I mean, if it was a choice between CV and DIN and 4 more outs, I’m happy with CV and DIN.

Maybe they would fit on the right side?

Elektron Analog Four - opened by [url=“http://www.flickr.com/people/psychlist1972/”]Psychlist1972, on Flickr

Also, I wonder if the 1850 is an introductory price? I mean, I paid 1149 (possibly under…) for the a4 which seems like a stupidly low price and a worthy price difference between the two. I could pick up a 2nd used a4, possibly that’s already been sent back to have the paint fixed, for not much more than the keys…

New, 1350 vs 1850? yeah I’d probably go with the keys even though my preference is for a smaller (or bigger) form factor. It’s stupid, but I’d feel like I was getting the better “value”.

jonah · 2013-11-29T01:30:13.000Z

""avantronica"":

[quote=“KrisM”]Regarding the CV outs being used as audio. Most MOTU audio interfaces have DC-coupled I/O and can be used to control a modular via CV when used with Expert Sleepers’s Silent Way software, and clearly they do audio.

I don’t know if the hardware design of the A4 will allow this, of course, but that might mean it’s possible for Elektron to update it.

yep - i use the audio out of my motu for this purpose - this raises an interesting point with the A4 platform though - where would elektron stand if you forgot your outs were set to cv (up to +/-10V) and you wasted some external gear by feeding it something vastly hotter than an audio signal - it’s all a bit risky potentially (no pun intended)[/quote]
(watch your ears) You can run CV LFOs on the a4 at audio rate and send them back in. why? sine waves.
It’s also good for more noise, like with random and just generally sounding nasty, imo, a good way.

AikiGhost:

""AikiGhost"":

Yep elektron fanboys can be like that. Should have seen some of the abuse I got for saying I prefer my MPC1000 to the octatrack

Sorry off topic, but the two together is the best (my favorite) sequencer ever. come on, they’re color co-ordinated. i think they’re each supremely terrible at doing what the other does, which is fantastic if you desire the functionality that one has, not so much if you don’t.

(why can’t I multi quote?)

Rusty · 2013-11-29T02:32:31.000Z

""jonah"":

I dunno if was nefarious, maybe it has to do with the form factor too? Is there really room on the back of the analog4? I mean, if it was a choice between CV and DIN and 4 more outs, I’m happy with CV and DIN.

I would consider that in the context of the rest of their product line…

dionysiananarchy · 2013-11-29T03:30:49.000Z

i guess i got a crazy on mine, 999, new,they said it was at cost, traded my vermna drm, still miss it,

avantronica · 2013-11-29T07:26:54.000Z

[quote=“” jonah""]

(watch your ears) You can run CV LFOs on the a4 at audio rate and send them back in. why? sine waves.
It’s also good for more noise, like with random and just generally sounding nasty, imo, a good way.

[/quote]

#toptip cheers, i’d forgotten seeing something pre-purchase someone posted about making kicks with that routing - exciting m(aud)ulation fun ahead

johnny · 2013-11-29T11:19:15.000Z

I spend hours on each song, so a few minutes to record each track from the A4 separately is no big deal. It means I pay more attention to that particular part I am recording.

Maybe if I was Manuel Göttsching recording an 1 hour long session of E2-E4 I would think “It would be useful” but just record all four parts together, or separately and splice them together to form one long piece. Otherwise, is it really that much of a big deal? I see multiple outs as a convenience, but you guys might have different workflows and other needs.

Old_Artsutanov · 2013-11-29T11:29:56.000Z

""r05c03"":

i will add they offered to fix it again, but the OT is central to my rig and if i send it away I am shut down, which bums me out.

Ah, the infamous OT headphone issue. If your headphone output was faulty from the beginning, like mine was, and Elektron couldn’t fix it with 2 attempts, they should give you a brand new unit without question. Effectively they’ve sold you (& me) a unit unfit for purpose. How long did it take for you to realise the headphone output was dodgy?

avantronica · 2013-11-29T12:42:14.000Z

""Artsutanov"":

[quote=“r05c03”]i will add they offered to fix it again, but the OT is central to my rig and if i send it away I am shut down, which bums me out.

Ah, the infamous OT headphone issue. If your headphone output was faulty from the beginning, like mine was, and Elektron couldn’t fix it with 2 attempts, they should give you a brand new unit without question. Effectively they’ve sold you (& me) a unit unfit for purpose. How long did it take for you to realise the headphone output was dodgy? [/quote]
could someone explain what the issue is, very clearly - i’ve almost done the deal on one ! don’t want to have any surprises in case this can be pre-checked

(sorry to spoil the flow of the A4 thread) !

[EDIT] found the e-u thread - so it hasn’t been resolved for some !!! oh dear, design problem ?

Old_Artsutanov · 2013-11-29T13:35:07.000Z

I only realised my first OT had the headphone fault after about 9 months. I’d never used the headphone output but read about the issues on EU. Too late for me to ask the retailer or Elektron for a new replacement so it got returned & fixed under warranty. I have 2 OTs & the 2nd has no headphone issue at all.

dionysiananarchy · 2013-11-30T04:15:52.000Z

the fact that the ot volume knob controls the headphone out is fucking stupid, almost as bad as the 2 outs of the a4