Keymapped synth samples note by note?

soup-nazi · 2013-11-01T20:41:07.000Z

hey,

can I use synth samples without pitch shifting at all?

im noob btw !

the_dreammer · 2013-11-01T21:11:28.000Z

The closest thing i came to actual keymapping on a old-skool sampler is a simple one.
make 1 sample with 64 notes in it… slice it… and play it in slice-mode…

here is the trick:
make a sample… a big one with 64 notes in it… there is a but though:
you got 16 triggers… and it is handy (it was for me) if your triggers keep having the same note under it…
an octave is C. C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B but those are just 12 notes…
so add a few to get 16 notes… your list will end up something like

A1#, B1, C2. C2#, D2, D2#, E2, F2, F2#, G2, G2#, A2, A2#, B2 , C3 , D3#
thats 16 notes…
A2#, B2, C3. C3#, D3, D3#, E3, F3, F3#, G3, G3#, A3, A3#, B3 , C4 , D4#
thats 32notes
A3#, B3, C4. C4#, D4, D4#, E4, F4, F4#, G4, G4#, A4, A4#, B4 , C5 , D5#
thats 48 notes
A4#, B4, C5. C5#, D5, D5#, E5, F5, F5#, G5, G5#, A5, A5#, B5 , C6 , D6#
and thats 64 notes

So all you do… is space all these notes out evenly in your daw, with some vst or a synth attached… record it… slice it by 64… and every slice should have 1 note in it.
if you play in slice-mode… you should be able to play it like a keyboard…
and if you switch between slice-pages (u got 4, because you got 64 slices) everytime you go a page up… all keys still keep same note… but one octave up.
and if you go page down… all keys still keep same not… but one octave down.

on top of this… you can still play in chromatic-mode… and play a melody with your melody (it sounds more fun then it is… but still… its possible)… and you can play with the rate button… which is fun… rate64 is normale speed… rate48 is 1 octave down… rate32 is 2octaves down… and rate16is 3octaves down… (well it should)

But keymapping like my mc909 or mv8800 or renoise does… nope… thats not possible…

Enjoy your day…

glaciertree · 2013-11-03T12:30:07.000Z

thanks dreammer, somehow I hadn’t caught that when working with slices before. I had tried recording 1 note per octave over 4 octaves and slicing it, but I think this might work better.

the_dreammer · 2013-11-03T15:14:44.000Z

""glaciertree"":

thanks dreammer, somehow I hadn’t caught that when working with slices before. I had tried recording 1 note per octave over 4 octaves and slicing it, but I think this might work better.

That would work as well… but then you really need pitch to get 1 octave up or down… and the rate button to go down 3 octaves…
u can also do 64 difrent but same sounding C-notes in your to-be-sliced-sample
then you can use the slice-button to skip through it… and make “morphs” between m.
Especially if you combine it with that trick Veet was talking about.
do synth 1 to 64 on the left channel… and 64 to 1 on the right channel.
put spatializer on it… and have that one turn it into mono… and use its balance from left to right… u should get a mono-version of a mix between left and right (a mix between the left and right sample) … theoreticly… u should be able to make beautifull morphs.
So yeah… lots of posibilities… they just need “allot of pre-sampling”
I tried all myself… I liked 64-Cnotes-in-1-sample… .and I liked 4octaves in 1 sample…
I wanna try the veet way…
all other ways i tried, where a bit funky… and did not fit MY flow (which doesnt mean its not good… i just couldnt use it myself)
Enjoy playing with it.

glaciertree · 2013-11-03T18:39:11.000Z

""the_dreammer"":

That would work as well… but then you really need pitch to get 1 octave up or down… and the rate button to go down 3 octaves…
u can also do 64 difrent but same sounding C-notes in your to-be-sliced-sample
then you can use the slice-button to skip through it… and make “morphs” between m.
Especially if you combine it with that trick Veet was talking about.
do synth 1 to 64 on the left channel… and 64 to 1 on the right channel.
put spatializer on it… and have that one turn it into mono… and use its balance from left to right… u should get a mono-version of a mix between left and right (a mix between the left and right sample) … theoreticly… u should be able to make beautifull morphs.
So yeah… lots of posibilities… they just need “allot of pre-sampling”
I tried all myself… I liked 64-Cnotes-in-1-sample… .and I liked 4octaves in 1 sample…
I wanna try the veet way…
all other ways i tried, where a bit funky… and did not fit MY flow (which doesnt mean its not good… i just couldnt use it myself)
Enjoy playing with it.

So many ways to do things. The spatializer tricks are beyond where I want to go right now, but good to know about.

I didn’t like the 1 sample per octave thing because I wasn’t liking the pitch shifting artifacts I was ending up with. I’m sure the artifacts are cool in some cases, but for what I was doing at the time, not so much.

I thought of some interesting variations on your technique for filling the extra 4 slices (12 chromatic notes, then something else). Instead of repeating 4 of the notes in those 12, you could put anything in there (altered versions of the notes, notes from alternate tunings, etc).

And I just reread your post just now and caught the 64 notes in 1 sample idea. That is pretty cool. Kind of like a wavetable scan sort of idea. This thread is giving me lots of ideas.

the_dreammer · 2013-11-03T18:57:39.000Z

""glaciertree"":

So many ways to do things. The spatializer tricks are beyond where I want to go right now, but good to know about.

Fair enough dont overcomplicate things… try a trick at a time.

""glaciertree"":

I didn’t like the 1 sample per octave thing because I wasn’t liking the pitch shifting artifacts I was ending up with. I’m sure the artifacts are cool in some cases, but for what I was doing at the time, not so much.

I had the same experience… thats why i started trying other ways
that and i got some hints by reading other people’s way… hehehe “it takes a village to learn an elektron”

""glaciertree"":

I thought of some interesting variations on your technique for filling the extra 4 slices (12 chromatic notes, then something else). Instead of repeating 4 of the notes in those 12, you could put anything in there (altered versions of the notes, notes from alternate tunings, etc).

And I just reread your post just now and caught the 64 notes in 1 sample idea. That is pretty cool. Kind of like a wavetable scan sort of idea. This thread is giving me lots of ideas.

Yes, your alternate tuning idea isnt bad… sky is the limit if you can map it out propperly…

Enjoy playing with all this… I am